Topic: Ignorance Abounds in the '06
- Mar 9, 2006 07:45pm by PL - Adversity will make you either give up, or grow up. Location: Kansas City, Missouri
While browsing MySpace pages as, many of us so often do. I came across "KC's Queen aka The Elegant Thug Mistress." She's a "rapper." Her page and lyrics are littered with racist terminology. The following is the actual conversation:
From: PL of The Soul Servers
Date: Mar 8, 2006 1:53 PM
You're throwin' around the "N" word an awful lot. Do the "Niggas" you hang with know?
From: KC's Queen aka The Elegant Thug Mistress
Date: Mar 8, 2006 4:25 PM
yeeah they do its juss in my lingo my bad homie i dont mean fa' it to offend anybody itz juss anotha word for homie, brotha..u kno my fault tho...
From: PL of The Soul Servers
Date: Mar 8, 2006 5:33 PM
How can you use one ofthe ugliest, most offensive words in the English language, and not expect people to be offended? In the centuries we (African-Americans) have been here, we've had to deal with the negativity of that word. From whites and blacks. If you mean "homie" or "brotha", say "homie" or "brotha". I don't want to come across as a "Hater", but if were to put "Cracker" this and "Honky" that all over my page, the Klan would be looking for me.
If you really respect hip-hop, you should consider removing "nigga/nigger' from your vocabulary. But if you're just here to pimp the system, and drain the hip-hop community, you should still consider removing them. I'm sure it's hard enough being a white, female in hip-hop, having that albatross hanging from your neck will not make things easier.
In short: It's not cool when blacks say it. So imagine how it sounds when it comes from you.
Just some food for thought.
I respect yah opinion "homie" but i agree ta disagree/beg ta differ with you...first off im not white im italian so it'd be "dego" but that word does not offend me, i dont let it! because im proud of what i am and sorry that those people decided to use that word in hatered and offence but i dont and NEVER wont...i respect african-americans and appreciate them, thank you!!!!! i dont like that you'd come at me like that especially when you DONT know me or how I think or am....thats sterotyping right there sirr! Appreicate yah advice and opinions on it but Im not what "my skin" color shows me to be but inside. By tha way, I hang around a lot of african american people and they are highly aware i use tha word and not one has checkd me or brought it to my attention because they know me well enuff as one of they "niggaz" btw i never use it with an "er", fyi. THANKS AGAIN BUT DONT PREACH TO ME YOUR NOT MY FATHER, HOMIE!!!v ;O)
love,
ms. nikola
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Two things:
1. Damn! We still have to be niggas in 2006?
2. At the end of the last letter where she said "Homie," why do I believe that translates to "nigga?"
Just lettin' y'all know.
- Mar 9, 2006 08:32pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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I saw that chick once when I was doing a sweep of local acts.
I looked at her page like, "is she serious?"
That's a crying shame.
- Mar 9, 2006 08:55pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!"
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She sent me a friend request yesterday...I wanted to check her but I figured if shes ignorant enough to use this word so loosley than she probably too ignorant to listen to reason....and your conversation with her confirmed my theory.
- Mar 9, 2006 09:55pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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It's unfortunate, but it's really all over Myspace.
- Mar 10, 2006 05:34am by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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Didn't you see her spelling......of course she is ignorant. Anyone that thinks broken english is clue has issues.
I really like how PL felt the need to disclose....."I don't want to come across as a hater". I notice people like that jump to the word hater, hatin', or just plain hate when it has nothing to do with such a strong emotion.
Racial slurs used for hatred are stupid, but on the other side of the token racial slurs used in an affectionate manner are equally as stupid.
- Mar 10, 2006 05:40am by MilkDrop - http://milkisrhyming.blogspot.com/
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yo P, i sent my thoughts to you about this on the myspace joint.
- Mar 10, 2006 03:38pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!"
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PL & I kinda discussed this in depth last night. The blame falls on both sides of the fence. From one side, others have to be properly educated on the severity of this word and what it means to African Americans. On the other side, WE, have to stop throwing this word around like a frizzbie!! No diss to Dave Chappelle, but dude has pretty much made this a household word. While most races know that this term is inappropriate, others who hear us use this term as an acknowledgement of brotherhood, may see the word as a chance to "bridge the gap" so to speak, to help ease racial tension. Before you dismiss this ideaology, remember, this word(with the letter "a" at the end) orginated as a postive alternative to the one that has an "er" at the end, but has since be taken through so many hoops & bounds that it has caused massive confusion as to what it means & who can use it.
Since this an issue that will always be open-ended, we all must take self & social accountability for educating EVERYONE, when this term is being so freely tossed around. I applaud PL for even ATTEMPTING to bring this to that particular young ladies attention. She may not have agreed with what he was saying, but I guarantee she'll think twice the next time she decides to use it....
- Mar 10, 2006 03:58pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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[quote:f51d897bd0="Distorted_Mastermind"]
Racial slurs used for hatred are stupid, but on the other side of the token racial slurs used in an affectionate manner are equally as stupid.[/quote:f51d897bd0]
I'm interested in knowing why you think euphemisizing such a term is stupid. No judgments, I'm just curious.
- Mar 12, 2006 05:56am by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Adam Savage Location: Olathe, KS
Well Reach I'm not gonna to walk up to a white friend of mine of go what's going on CRACKA. It sets a bad example and opens the term up to being pretty much fair game....even if it starts as an inside joke and has some stupid ass story behind it, the joke could easily be misunderstood.
I'm not overly P.C. but do put race along the things that can be misunderstood and start or keep a cycle of hatred going regardless of what the original intent was. I can safely say today I don't hate anyone. A few things deserve respect.....or even just flat out not caring....meaning you are a person, I am a person, and that's good enough.
In reality if more people carried that attitude race would not be close to an issue......some Beastie Boys song had a line about "applied for the job and the asked my race/I wrote down human inside the space". Race is only relavent when people choose to make it relavent. Start hate by acknoledging hate.
- Mar 12, 2006 05:23pm by Atilla_Beatsmith - [email protected]
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I just saw her page like 2 days ago, and i see what you're talking abot. smh
- Mar 12, 2006 05:24pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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Thanks for elaborating.
- Mar 12, 2006 08:24pm by phism
i don't know. "nigga" is pretty much a pop culture item that's open game these days.
i mean, if you took it out of her page, would she look less stupid? i think it just makes for an easy scapegoat.
- Mar 13, 2006 05:40am by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Adam Savage Location: Olathe, KS
What if it was a black person with the word cracka all over the page, or honky while throwing in other such terms as uncle tom with a big ass fist as the backdrop for the page. It's ignorance either way, best thing to do with ignorant/and or annoying people is ignore them. Getting pissed off at people who are trying to piss you off will give them power and eat a good person alive for sinking to that level (hate).
- Mar 13, 2006 05:41am by phism
i don't think you can just substitute racial slurs and draw comparisons.
- Mar 13, 2006 05:56am by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Adam Savage Location: Olathe, KS
"nigga" being pop culture is a result of mainstream bs and the stupid ass artists/and or their producers assoiciated with the mainstream.
- Mar 13, 2006 10:05am by phism
it's still there, though. plus it's the only one that's gained and changed definitions.
i mean, nobody calls each other "cracker" or "chink" in the same way they use "nigga"... although samoans do call each other "hamo" sometimes, and that is also a term that originated in slavery, so i guess that's uh, relevant?
i don't know, i guess in this thread it may bring heat but i'm not black and i'll say nigga whenever i do, because i've grown up around it anyway... whatever.
- Mar 13, 2006 07:43pm by nadia
I love it when people are like "you don't even know me!" when they catch shit for their myspace profiles...but it's like, that's the YOU that you were broadcasting to the world....she'd never wear the words on her t-shirt that she publishes on MySpace and yet she's acting like you called her out on something you found in her locked journal, not something she blared all over cyberspace. People are still getting a hang of this whole mysterious Internet thing, i guess.
Meanwhile, I just heard an Earatik Statik lyric that said something was hotter than a fire to burn kikes, or something like that, and instead of being offended, I was just like, ha, who still uses that word?
- Mar 13, 2006 07:43pm by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Adam Savage Location: Olathe, KS
Ok let's make this more interesting.....it's also become very much a pop culture thing to use terms that could easily offend homosexuals....Example, the first time I said......"that's gay" around a gay friend of mine I felt bad about it, possibly more so than she did. So now I do my best not to say that or anything like that.
- Mar 13, 2006 07:49pm by nadia
I think people should feel free to use whatever terms they wish...but if it's potentially controversial, I hope they're self-aware enough to realize they might be misunderstood. I cringe every time I hear white people, or non-black people, using the n-word, and no, I don't know their whole biography, I don't know whether they grew up around it or not, but that's just the thing. We don't walk around carrying our biographies on our backs, so you've gotta know that everyone's coming from a different place, but most of us have ears that work, and ideologies that might clash. So if you're walking around calling people 'nigga' and 'kike' and calling inanimate objects "gay" when you mean something negative by it, be ready to defuse any situation you create. Don't get mad at the person who misunderstood you when you chose to use a loaded term....
- Mar 13, 2006 08:04pm by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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If respectfull it's hard to be misunderstood.
- Mar 13, 2006 08:28pm by phism
"queer" is another word that's been reclaimed, or whatever you want to call it.
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What if it was a black person with the word cracka all over the page, or honky while throwing in other such terms as uncle tom with a big ass fist as the backdrop for the page.
You seem like a very intelligent, liberal person. However, downplaying that "big ass fist" strikes a pain with me. All of the Panther brothers and sisters that were a part of chapters that acted under the ten point plan did alot more for opening the eyes of the ignorant than any group since. It's funny that this symbol still intimidates people when that was never the intended effect. It's simply a symbol representing what they stood for, which after reading in depth about them seems to be freedom and equality. This is not a dis or attack on you, I really respect your opinion and the fact that you're not uncomfortablt expressing it since it seems so many people are.
Another thing about the whole "N" word issue. I do use this word, but I'm making a concious effort to stop. I also don't like the terms "African American", "Minorities", or any other words that put people in a different class. The problem was never the "N" word. The problem is that all of these words catagorize humans by race. We're always going to be different, but we should never be unequal. Using these words is just seperating us. I know the last four sentences are regurgitating the same point, but I feel strongly about it.
- Mar 14, 2006 04:38pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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Drugs, crime, little economic power and a lack of unity among Blacks are much bigger issues than the usage of the "n-word".
We've got bigger fish to fry.
- Mar 14, 2006 06:44pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!"
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