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Topic: I don't care about Kanye West.

1. Nov 27, 2008 10:56am by phism
   he likes himself enough for the both of us. that love lockdown song sucks, and i'm sick of vocoders. i never liked this dude. he can't rap. he's made some good beats, a long time ago, but i haven't heard one verse i could donate a shit about. stay behind the boards and out of the mall, homie.
2. Nov 27, 2008 03:16pm by theskinny
   amen!
3. Nov 27, 2008 04:49pm by _DEMENCHA_
   i can't get into any of his new singles, heartbreak, love lockdown, etc. i don't understand why so many people think this 808s and heartbreak album is so great.
4. Nov 27, 2008 05:33pm by jayBird
   who are these ppl that say it's great? robocop is a travesty.
5. Nov 27, 2008 06:31pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
   [quote:90ecd45175="phism"]he likes himself enough for the both of us. that love lockdown song sucks, and i'm sick of vocoders. i never liked this dude. he can't rap. he's made some good beats, a long time ago, but i haven't heard one verse i could donate a shit about. stay behind the boards and out of the mall, homie.[/quote:90ecd45175] WOW! I remember getting chastised for saying the same thing almost 2 years ago. "You should get the album Ace." "give it a chance, Ace", "don't hate, Ace." same thing about Eminem, DMX, and Jay-Z (fall off artist) them [img:90ecd45175]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/Cliff%20fall.jpg[/img:90ecd45175] Kanye [img:90ecd45175]http://www.phrank.com/images/sh/season1/hgn-11-02-25-sm.jpg[/img:90ecd45175]
6. Nov 27, 2008 06:58pm by swayzorbladez - www.myspace.com/swayzorspitsbladez
   i want to release a pirated autotuner.. with a horrible virus in it..
7. Nov 27, 2008 07:24pm by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
   [quote:36e388e64a="phism"]he likes himself enough for the both of us. that love lockdown song sucks, and i'm sick of vocoders. i never liked this dude. he can't rap. he's made some good beats, a long time ago, but i haven't heard one verse i could donate a shit about. stay behind the boards and out of the mall, homie.[/quote:36e388e64a] You don't care about him so much that you created a post to mention it? You're smater than that phism.
8. Nov 27, 2008 09:33pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
   Im not sure I ever liked ye's personality but his music was dope up until this point. All his other CD's are dope production and lyrically (in my opinion). I usually just take music for what it is, but this mug is like one big cliche. Autotune, 808's, love songs, and Lil Wayne are all good stuff but when you make a whole cd around it and it's REAL old. I think his next cd should be dope if he sticks to rapping. He just had to get all the corny rap cliches out of his system. The best Autotune song out there still has to be this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgfNX5KLT38 😆
9. Nov 28, 2008 12:38am by phism
   [quote:5b9d65fde7="MILES"]You don't care about him so much that you created a post to mention it? You're smater than that phism.[/quote:5b9d65fde7] well, notice that post was made at 5 am, so i was pretty much working the message board circuit posting about whatever was on my mind at the moment. this one was the result of a giant ad on myspace for his album.
10. Nov 28, 2008 03:37am by _DEMENCHA_
    [quote:cb5f5269be="jayBird"]who are these ppl that say it's great? robocop is a travesty.[/quote:cb5f5269be] People on other message boards, mainly. Everyone I've personally talked to about it isn't feeling Kanye's new stuff at all.
11. Nov 29, 2008 06:43pm by Seph.Vs.TooN.
    it's not as bad as you all paint it well, to me. i'm not saying anything on it is fresh but it's not that from from the norm of what i hear on the radio. i can deal with it. by the way scrubs shot down by royce 5'9 is pretty funny
12. Nov 29, 2008 09:20pm by _DEMENCHA_
    [quote:efcccc5094]scrubs shot down by royce 5'9 [/quote:efcccc5094] [quote:efcccc5094]scrubs shot down by royce 5'9 [/quote:efcccc5094] [quote:efcccc5094]scrubs shot down by royce 5'9 [/quote:efcccc5094] [quote:efcccc5094]scrubs shot down by royce 5'9 [/quote:efcccc5094] [quote:efcccc5094]scrubs shot down by royce 5'9 [/quote:efcccc5094] heard this on XM radio before they did the shitty merger with sirius. But yea, good track.
13. Dec 1, 2008 02:34am by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc www.myspace.com/brent22
    [quote:b6fa810447="_DEMENCHA_"][quote:b6fa810447="jayBird"]who are these ppl that say it's great? robocop is a travesty.[/quote:b6fa810447] People on other message boards, mainly. Everyone I've personally talked to about it isn't feeling Kanye's new stuff at all.[/quote:b6fa810447] guess you haven't talked to me chris...lol. i don't give a fuck about his personality, his ego, his vision, etc. 808's is THAT shit and i don't care what anyone says. dude wanted to come on some stripped down songwriter shit and he did. breaking up with a fiance of 2 years and your mom dying is MORE than enough to bring out some emotional shit from you. and i'm hearing massive attack, portishead and other tripped out heart tuggery in there. open the mind and horizons y'all. shit is REALLY good.
14. Dec 1, 2008 07:56am by _DEMENCHA_
    I will say that I like the "Stay Up" track, after hearing it tonight at HH&HW Interesting topic for discussion: Is 808's and Heartbreak Kanye's "Love Below" (which many people disliked at the time it came out also)?
15. Dec 1, 2008 06:55pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    "Stay Up" is fresh. The two singles are doo doo. I want the old Kanye. Get back on your bullshit, please... He's a dope emcee. Let T-Pain ruin the music world with auto-tune.
16. Dec 1, 2008 08:41pm by DjShad
    no i.d. did the heartless track and i think the sh-- is dope. it took a while for me to appreciate the new cd. He wasn't trying to be on some super lyrical stuff with the cd. If you break down the melodies, most of them are based on the abc's. If you check out the cord progressions in most of the tracks it is based that way and i was reading an interview where he discussed as one of the basis of the cd. He wanted people to learn the music and the words. if I can find the article, i will post it thanks again for those who came out last night to hh&hot wings. It was refreshing playing some quality hip hop joints
17. Dec 2, 2008 06:06am by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc www.myspace.com/brent22
    [quote:0711303ab8="Reach."] Let T-Pain ruin the music world with auto-tune.[/quote:0711303ab8] thread jack...but i'm sick of hearing this shit. t-pain, kanye and ron browz are all making this shit pop in the vein of zapp & roger. the technology is not new. and folks are just mad they didn't take advantage of a piece of gear that's been around for ages. hip hop can be fun and interesting without your typical jazz/funk/krautrock samples and uninspired wannabe inspiring rhymes. nothing wrong with good old fashioned hip-hop...but hip-hop does not need to revolve around it. and t-pain...dude is RIDICULOUSLY talented. so what he can't really sing? it's pretty much pimp game when you can run the industry singing catchy hooks on countless tunes when you can't sing a fucking lick. but on the songwriting tip, production and overall fun vibes he brings to everything he does...i hope he he's here to stay. and just so you and everyone else knows (or at least sees someone say it and mean it)...t-pain can RIP on the mic. anyone even remotely interested in hearing some shit...send me a pm. thr33 ringz pretty much sucks the dillz though. could've made a serious mark on his story if he would've really come with the whole package.
18. Dec 2, 2008 01:44pm by DjShad
    on a side note t-pain can actually sing. When he came to Kandi, he didn't have no effects or vocoder and he was hitting every note to perfection. I was hating on him at first, but him and his camp was humble and he gives a good performance. Let the truth be told, the original t-pain single I'm sprung was originally a demo track for akon, but they ran with it as a joke and it caught on.
19. Dec 2, 2008 01:59pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:940cb7ce15="DjShad"]on a side note t-pain can actually sing. When he came to Kandi, he didn't have no effects or vocoder and he was hitting every note to perfection. I was hating on him at first, but him and his camp was humble and he gives a good performance. Let the truth be told, the original t-pain single I'm sprung was originally a demo track for akon, but they ran with it as a joke and it caught on.[/quote:940cb7ce15] Hey!.....just like Shaggy..."Mr.Boombastic!" [img:940cb7ce15]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1815000/images/_1815108_shaggy150.jpg[/img:940cb7ce15] 😆
20. Dec 2, 2008 02:09pm by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc www.myspace.com/brent22
    [quote:c64ce84a61="DjShad"]Let the truth be told, the original t-pain single I'm sprung was originally a demo track for akon, but they ran with it as a joke and it caught on.[/quote:c64ce84a61] akon was the one who "discovered" t-pain so this honestly doesn't surprise me. good to know though. thanks for the knowledge Shad.
21. Dec 2, 2008 07:17pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:dcfdcea50f="cha-chE"] thread jack...but i'm sick of hearing this shit. t-pain, kanye and ron browz are all making this shit pop in the vein of zapp & roger.[/quote:dcfdcea50f] I'm guessing you're about as sick of my spiel as I am of T-Pain being compared to Roger Troutman. It's arguably the worst comparison of two artists in the music world that I've ever heard. Primarily because it utilizes two completely different kinds of technology. Secondarily, because Troutman was 10 times the musician. He was a gifted songwriter and composer (something T-Pain cannot be credited with). Let me take that a step further... AutoTune, at its core, is used best sparingly and was only ever intended to pitch-correct. [quote:dcfdcea50f]and t-pain...dude is RIDICULOUSLY talented.[/quote:dcfdcea50f] This, of course, can be argued. But I don't wanna be a stuffy hard-ass. So I can concede that he has a quantifiable musical talent that has earned him major coin. [quote:dcfdcea50f]i hope he he's here to stay. and just so you and everyone else knows (or at least sees someone say it and mean it)...t-pain can RIP on the mic.[/quote:dcfdcea50f] If I had a dime for everytime I heard that. I've heard him spit. I'm not all that impressed. He's much more talented as an emcee than he is as a vocalist though. That's for certain.
22. Dec 3, 2008 12:24am by thePhantom* - Vessel for the muse. http://phantastic.me
    My expectations were so low for this new album Kanye could only go up. Only time will unveil the fate of this album (not to mention Kanye's career.) With that said, 808's and Heartbreak was a "good" album. Kanye uses AutoTune throughout, and one can easily tell, but he doesn't use it as ridiculously as Lil Wayne. Kanye actually TRIES to hit the correct note (and he can, in fact, carry a tune.) Hate it or love it, this album was the best thing I've heard of the contemporary lift of AutoTune. It was done incredibly tastefully. Kanye typically rhymes through a generic mesh of witty punch lines with a n interesting mix of seemingly third person urban issues with aspirations of grandeur. This go, Kanye took an even more ambiguous approach mixing pure emotion with contemporary electronic (hate it or love it) styles. Kanye, has what a lot of emcee's lack - the ability to remain relevant by mutating stylistically. When you're a classic emcee, however, you don't need to. I'd strive for the latter.
23. Dec 3, 2008 04:01am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    http://www.hulu.com/watch/46955/the-colbert-report-operation-humble-kanye#x-4,vclip,1 [quote:e24c1c2020]Hate it or love it, this album was the best thing I've heard of the contemporary lift of AutoTune. [/quote:e24c1c2020] PE didn't change, Dilla didn't change, Pete Rock didn't change, Colbert is still keeping it real. "I will go down in history as the voice of this generation?" K. West "He is barely the voice for his own album" S. Colbert
24. Dec 3, 2008 04:50am by maclethal
    T-Pain cannot rap. He can make insanely dope songs ("Church" anyone?) But no. The dude is wack as fuck as a rapper. He also makes insanely wack songs. I don't really follow the guy enough to care. I like a few of his songs that have found their way to my ears, but I don't proactively seek him out. "Church" is one of the dopest songs of 2007 in my opinion. He DESTROYS that shit. As for being upset about "autotune ruining music", you have to be kidding. If you listen to the radio, and let it judge your perception of music, then yeah-- you are probably sick of hearing autotune. But um, if you pick your own musical intake, you have literally hundreds of thousands of albums to listen to that don't go near autotune. Ok, so Kanye did a trendy ass, fashionista album with autotune and lame ass song concepts. Don't listen to it. Since when is Kanye the end all/be all of music? He jacked RZA's style of production, flipped it a bit, and made a bunch of contemporary hip-hop songs that a lot of people raved about. He can do whatever he wants on this new album. I won't listen to it, and I feel absolutely no emotion when saying that. I don't like the way that type of shit sounds. Music is not to be picked on. The absolute best music of all time is being made right now. You have to decide if you receive it with an open-mind and can see the talent in it, or if you are gonna bicker about it not providing you with the feeling music gave you when you were innocent and young. It's your fault though, if you pick the latter. Shut your mind off and enjoy the shit that appeals to you.
25. Dec 3, 2008 06:16am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    Won Two (the Ego) circa 1998 hi-fi URL: http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=7114442&q=hi This is what happens when you have friends with recording gear and the latest tech shit. Again circa 1998...fresh outta Olathe Ego was the next hot thing. cheese I made the beat with MTV music generator. super cheese This is all Kanyes fault...I think I promised no one would ever hear this... but if you are listening to that garbage, I thought... Why not.
26. Dec 3, 2008 08:33am by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc www.myspace.com/brent22
    [quote:d6280f98a3="maclethal"] Music is not to be picked on. The absolute best music of all time is being made right now. You have to decide if you receive it with an open-mind and can see the talent in it, or if you are gonna bicker about it not providing you with the feeling music gave you when you were innocent and young. It's your fault though, if you pick the latter. Shut your mind off and enjoy the shit that appeals to you.[/quote:d6280f98a3] mac...not that i agree with everything you said...but what i quoted here... BINGO
27. Dec 3, 2008 08:20pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    For the record, this is a message board that's open to such discussions. I'm not mad at Kanye for what he did with his latest album. Disappointed, yes, but only because he's one of my favorite Rap acts. Is AutoTune staving off brilliant musical works being created all over the world? Absolutely not. But it is having a profound effect on the industry. Hell, it's having one hell of an impact on artists who work FICA jobs. I was just in a recording studio last night that has it's own assortment of AutoTuned vocals. Vocals contributed by artists who don't belong to the Universal's and Atlantic's of the world. AutoTune has so saturated the industry that it's forced artists who are otherwise talented enough not to need it to begin manipulating their vocals. It's staving off creativity and forcing out mainstream artists who don't dance to the beat of that audio-processed drum. That's a bad thing in my view. The Radio will never be my barometer for good music. It hasn't been a reliable source for good music in decades. I rarely ever listen. But certainly I still realize the effect this trend has had on the music business. I'm all for passing on the albums that don't appeal to you. I'm not gonna boycott the Def Jam offices for "808's..." It ain't that deep. But for a Monday afternoon conversation I have no problem with throwing my two cents in. It's fun to talk about.
28. Dec 4, 2008 02:56pm by dublow - http://KCMusicScene.com www.myspace.com/dublowseven www.myspace.com/barbaricmerits http://barbaricmerits.com
    What the fuck is wrong with all you naysayers?!?!?! If you don't get the new Kanye....or autotune....then it's just over your head. This shit right here....this shit right HERE???? Kanye? T-Pain? GROUNDBREAKING!!!!!!!!! You just have to BELIEVE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bTREzJL83A
29. Dec 4, 2008 05:33pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    Heres what next http://vimeo.com/961877 Auto DJ [img:90c3c0f519]http://maisumteko.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/attigo-tt1.jpg[/img:90c3c0f519] What if this was DJ Shadow, Kid Capri, Or Jazzy Jeff? Would you have the same respect? just wondering I think Kanye was out of ideas and ran through some VST's he never used before. You Know when you trying to come up with something, so you dig digitally. I did a little research. http://www.antarestech.com/products/auto-tune-evo.shtml [img:90c3c0f519]http://www.antarestech.com/images/ATEvo_Auto_sm.jpg[/img:90c3c0f519] [img:90c3c0f519]http://www.antarestech.com/images/ATEvo_GraphicUI.jpg[/img:90c3c0f519] Deez was also on the page. I thought they was funny. [img:90c3c0f519]http://www.antarestech.com/images/antaresLogo.gif[/img:90c3c0f519] [img:90c3c0f519]http://www.antarestech.com/images/DrSturgeon_says.gif[/img:90c3c0f519] No, ... Les Izmore! sorry bout the thread jack
30. Dec 4, 2008 06:29pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:5153540d5b="dublow"]What the fuck is wrong with all you naysayers?!?!?! If you don't get the new Kanye....or autotune....then it's just over your head. This shit right here....this shit right HERE???? Kanye? T-Pain? GROUNDBREAKING!!!!!!!!! You just have to BELIEVE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bTREzJL83A[/quote:5153540d5b] I gotta see this YT clip so I will know whether or not you're being facetious. 😆
31. Dec 4, 2008 11:46pm by Les...Izmore - "Knowledge Speaks, Wisdom Listens" www.Izmore.com twitter.com/LesIzmoreHOD www.youtube.com/izmoremusic IZMORE/Soul Providers/RRC Location: MIDDLE OF THE MAP
    [quote:9c6bd5b8f2="dublow"]What the fuck is wrong with all you naysayers?!?!?! If you don't get the new Kanye....or autotune....then it's just over your head. This shit right here....this shit right HERE???? Kanye? T-Pain? GROUNDBREAKING!!!!!!!!! You just have to BELIEVE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bTREzJL83A[/quote:9c6bd5b8f2] PLEASE BELIEVE!!! PLEEEEASE BELIEVE!!!
32. Dec 5, 2008 04:54am by Ben_Fuller
    [quote:571287b5d6="Reach."][quote:571287b5d6="cha-chE"] thread jack...but i'm sick of hearing this shit. t-pain, kanye and ron browz are all making this shit pop in the vein of zapp & roger.[/quote:571287b5d6] I'm guessing you're about as sick of my spiel as I am of T-Pain being compared to Roger Troutman. It's arguably the worst comparison of two artists in the music world that I've ever heard. Primarily because it utilizes two completely different kinds of technology. Secondarily, because Troutman was 10 times the musician. He was a gifted songwriter and composer (something T-Pain cannot be credited with). Let me take that a step further... AutoTune, at its core, is used best sparingly and was only ever intended to pitch-correct. [quote:571287b5d6]and t-pain...dude is RIDICULOUSLY talented.[/quote:571287b5d6] This, of course, can be argued. But I don't wanna be a stuffy hard-ass. So I can concede that he has a quantifiable musical talent that has earned him major coin. [quote:571287b5d6]i hope he he's here to stay. and just so you and everyone else knows (or at least sees someone say it and mean it)...t-pain can RIP on the mic.[/quote:571287b5d6] If I had a dime for everytime I heard that. I've heard him spit. I'm not all that impressed. He's much more talented as an emcee than he is as a vocalist though. That's for certain.[/quote:571287b5d6] One thing I just LOVE about this site is how when people on here aren't into an artist their talent is dismissed. This even goes with whole genres of music with people on here..... It truly is amazing to me and it really speaks VOLUMES about why the KC hiphop scene is the way it is. FOR EXAMPLE, I am by no means a fan of country music but I have an immense amount of respect for the talent those artists have. Same goes with most bluegrass, i'm not gonna drive around listening to it, but the talent is not only there it can be mindblowing. Really...ruining music with autotune? REALLY 🙄 🙄 🙄 I mean come on Reach, wow so T Pain found a way to make Autotune do weird things to a voice that it wasn't originally intended to do....do you have any idea how many musical innovations were made by making an instrument/piece of hardware/software do something it wasn't originally intended to do?!? Step outside of your own taste for a minute. For someone not wanting to be a stuffy hardass you sure are doing a good job at it. PS...the Kanye album is okay, few good tracks, few blah tracks, couple really lame ones.
33. Dec 5, 2008 06:10am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    I love love love the Old Flavor Flav. I would've killed any body for that nigga back in the day. If you said something negative about P.E., I was on you. Now the sight of Flav (on the Television wylin) just makes me hang my head. People change, and sometimes its just for the worst. When you sell your soul, to keep making hits. I have no more respect for you. Larry Johnson, is nobody in my eyes. I don't respect his skillz, because he spit in a girls face. He can still run the ball 2,000,000 yards, but I will never give him props. I seen him at the mall, my cousins got there hats signed, he asked me if I wanted a sig. I mumbled, I don't want shit from you and turnt around and walked away, all bich like. Im sure he felt my coldness. I didnt wanna get punched anyway. Kanye is theoretically spitting in the face of Hip Hop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtnVsjYxdeE Now hes doing Pop/ Neo-Soul/ Hip Hop brig back the old KWest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvb-1wjAtk4
34. Dec 5, 2008 06:20am by _DEMENCHA_
    i feel you on some of that, Ben. Probably every genre of dance music and hip hop was founded on somebody pushing the wrong button on a piece of equipment by accident, accidentally touching a record while on it's turntable (what people now know as "scratching"), or curiously speeding up the pitch of a playing record or slowing it down on a turntable (drum and bass anyone? chopped and screwed music anyone?). Anyone who doesn't know this stuff already needs to buy the book "Last Night A DJ Saved My Life," and read it at least 2 times. Random thoughts: The other day on XM radio, one of the hosts said that T-Pain had a new song out where he's dissing other hip hop artists for biting his style (but in the song he pardons Kanye and Weezy)... and, Will T-Pain stick around?... Ben, check your PM, though. Best thread I've seen on hhkc in a while.
35. Dec 5, 2008 06:24am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:c4ad3df585="_DEMENCHA_"] Will T-Pain stick around?... [/quote:c4ad3df585] Wheres Eminem or DMX? Real Talk? Auto tune this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbzuf1ruf84 The Message here children is....Never change! Be You and be original! Then? Stay You!!! hear me kids?! and as always Wu-Tang is for the babies
36. Dec 5, 2008 06:52am by _DEMENCHA_
    Havoc is one of my favorite producer/rappers, though. I just wrote out a bunch of shit that i was gonna throw up as a reply but I'm thinking about turning it into an article for the zine.
37. Dec 5, 2008 07:03am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:84c28f563b="_DEMENCHA_"]Havoc is one of my favorite producer/rappers, though. I just wrote out a bunch of shit that i was gonna throw up as a reply but I'm thinking about turning it into an article for the zine.[/quote:84c28f563b] do it. you are a great writer. fuck the pitch. I hand out your mag with a purchase of my CD, people are like..."I haven't seen one of these in forever ( or since I was in St.lou/Chi-town) Do your thang man. I got some people wanting a scription, if your willing to ship to Davenport, Ia. (or just make sure I get at least 3 free copies, I will ship em for you.) btw/fyi You have fans in Iowa. they got the first copy two months ago and the last copy two weeks ago. Tri-City lovin some Demencha mag Whoop there it is! 😆 😆 peas
38. Dec 5, 2008 06:14pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:0251926b90="Ben_Fuller"]One thing I just LOVE about this site is how when people on here aren't into an artist their talent is dismissed.[/quote:0251926b90] Here's the trouble with this idea... YOU believe he is talented. I do not. I can quickly name a dozen artists whose material I have zero interest in that I believe are uber-talented. I make a very clear distinction between the artist and their requisite talents. I have no problem with that. [quote:0251926b90]This even goes with whole genres of music with people on here..... It truly is amazing to me and it really speaks VOLUMES about why the KC hiphop scene is the way it is.[/quote:0251926b90] The fact that people have critical music tastes has no bearing on the music culture here in Kansas City. It's not like we're the only town or scene in the country with certain ideas about music. Come on. [quote:0251926b90]Really...ruining music with autotune? REALLY 🙄 🙄 :roll:[/quote:0251926b90] I suppose that depends on your definition of the word "ruin". I believe that any trend that sweeps the industry to the degree in which it causes otherwise vocally talented artists to begin manipulating their voices is bad, bad, bad. From that perspective, I believe it's ruining the music world. [quote:0251926b90]I mean come on Reach, wow so T Pain found a way to make Autotune do weird things to a voice that it wasn't originally intended to do....[/quote:0251926b90] AutoTune was released in 1997. T-Pain can't be credited for its discovery. It's recent popularity, to be sure, but it had been around for quite some time. Long before anyone ever knew who he was. [quote:0251926b90]do you have any idea how many musical innovations were made by making an instrument/piece of hardware/software do something it wasn't originally intended to do?!? Step outside of your own taste for a minute.[/quote:0251926b90] Step outside my own tastes in music? Why would I do that? That'd be like me asking you to compromise what YOU LIKE for the sake of identifying with my position. I know full well that there is value in music I don't particularly care for. I'm not going to compromise my own standards though to see T-Pain as some musical genius. He's not. His entire career is based on the artificial manipulation of his voice. There's nothing genius about that. I'm sorry... I grew up on Stevie Wonder. I'm a Tony Royster, Jr. junkie. THAT is musical genius. T-Pain just found a way to pimp the game. More power to him. And for the record, I realize that dozens of musical innovations came as a result of utilizing tools in ways that were unintended. Many of those innovations became integral parts of the music world though. AutoTune, in its current form, will not. This is a trend that will fizzle out in due time. It's not like the advent of the electric guitar. I've heard that argument 100 times and it doesn't hold. AutoTune will continue to be used, sparingly, to correct pitch, but the T-Pain AT setting has an expiration date on it. [quote:0251926b90]For someone not wanting to be a stuffy hardass you sure are doing a good job at it.[/quote:0251926b90] If all that being a stuffy hardass entails is having a strong opinion that differs from your own... Call me Mr. Stuffy Hardass. I think that's silly though. I enjoy having discussions of this type. Where we debate the merits or lack thereof of different artists. Nobody should come away feeling like there's something wrong with where they stand on the issue. If you like T-Pain, amen. I'm not mad at your for it. But damn... I oughta be able to tell you I think he's trash... On a message board where the topic was raised...by someone else. Sheesh.
39. Dec 5, 2008 06:47pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    By the way... I would LOVE to have this conversation with a couple two or three of y'all on my podcast. Be a damn good discussion I think. Let me know if you're interested.
40. Dec 5, 2008 08:34pm by trystyl - www.myspace.com/trystyl Location: KCMO
    i love auto tune... and reach, we need to do an autotune song.
41. Dec 5, 2008 08:56pm by dublow - http://KCMusicScene.com www.myspace.com/dublowseven www.myspace.com/barbaricmerits http://barbaricmerits.com
    don't know if anyone caught that cher video i posted. It was from 1998 when she was one of the first mainstream artists to use auto tune when it came out. so folks... love songs all autotuned out is about 10 years old......this kanye shit doesn't hold. he's a talented asshole, but this new album has absolutely no longevity. that robocop song....are you fucking kidding me? if you're endorsing this album with that song....then you must think farts smell good too. i'm deleting this album off my computer just like i did the last RJD2 album. i guarantee if some no name would have made the exact same album no one would give it 2 listens, but it's kanye right? you know, he must, like, be on to something right?
42. Dec 5, 2008 09:02pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:6fd1165af4="Reach."] I'm sorry... I grew up on Stevie Wonder. I'm a Tony Royster, Jr. junkie. THAT is musical genius. T-Pain just found a way to pimp the game. More power to him. [/quote:6fd1165af4] Whoomp there it is!
43. Dec 5, 2008 09:04pm by swayzorbladez - www.myspace.com/swayzorspitsbladez
    if i wanted to hear a heartbreaking over an 808.. I'd listen to mister Phil Collins!
44. Dec 5, 2008 09:06pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:9385dbb721="trystyl"]i love auto tune... and reach, we need to do an autotune song.[/quote:9385dbb721] It's a done deal homie. We already talked about this.
45. Dec 5, 2008 09:07pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:93d0d2f373="swayzorbladez"]if i wanted to hear a heartbreaking over an 808.. I'd listen to mister Phil Collins![/quote:93d0d2f373] Hello!
46. Dec 5, 2008 10:09pm by Ben_Fuller
    The funny thing is I'm not even a huge T Pain fan, I play his big hits in the club a lot but he is definitely not one of my favorite artists, but I do respect him. Music genius? Mmmmmm that might be an exaggeration. A very talented individual with an excellent grasp on both pop music and the music industry itself? Absolutely. I can honestly, from the bottom of my heart and having been a musician since i was 3 years old say that if you really think T Pain is completely devoid of talent then I just can't really take anything you say seriously, b/c it just shows you are too caught up in your own bitterness towards a trend he started to see anything else. I'm sorry but it is impossible to reach the level he, or any artist has reached without some level of talent, even corny ass manufactured pop groups have talent, in their own way. I understand this little peanut gallery on here doesn't direct the music scene in KC, I am saying the attitudes expressed on here give insight (at least to me) on many of the massive deficiencies in the music scene you are a part of. Come on... I agree the autotune everything trend sucks, is it ruining music? Of course not, trends come and go. I would have thought you would have a better understanding of the music industry than to claim any one trend is ruining music. Diluting creativity...definitely, but thats been happening in pop music SINCE THE BEGINNING. Why step outside your own taste? To grow as a person and an artist thats why. Otherwise you keep operating in your comfort zone and you keep making the same boring shit...almost like T PAIN. [quote:a86ddf474b="Reach."][quote:a86ddf474b="Ben_Fuller"]One thing I just LOVE about this site is how when people on here aren't into an artist their talent is dismissed.[/quote:a86ddf474b] Here's the trouble with this idea... YOU believe he is talented. I do not. I can quickly name a dozen artists whose material I have zero interest in that I believe are uber-talented. I make a very clear distinction between the artist and their requisite talents. I have no problem with that. [quote:a86ddf474b]This even goes with whole genres of music with people on here..... It truly is amazing to me and it really speaks VOLUMES about why the KC hiphop scene is the way it is.[/quote:a86ddf474b] The fact that people have critical music tastes has no bearing on the music culture here in Kansas City. It's not like we're the only town or scene in the country with certain ideas about music. Come on. [quote:a86ddf474b]Really...ruining music with autotune? REALLY 🙄 🙄 :roll:[/quote:a86ddf474b] I suppose that depends on your definition of the word "ruin". I believe that any trend that sweeps the industry to the degree in which it causes otherwise vocally talented artists to begin manipulating their voices is bad, bad, bad. From that perspective, I believe it's ruining the music world. [quote:a86ddf474b]I mean come on Reach, wow so T Pain found a way to make Autotune do weird things to a voice that it wasn't originally intended to do....[/quote:a86ddf474b] AutoTune was released in 1997. T-Pain can't be credited for its discovery. It's recent popularity, to be sure, but it had been around for quite some time. Long before anyone ever knew who he was. [quote:a86ddf474b]do you have any idea how many musical innovations were made by making an instrument/piece of hardware/software do something it wasn't originally intended to do?!? Step outside of your own taste for a minute.[/quote:a86ddf474b] Step outside my own tastes in music? Why would I do that? That'd be like me asking you to compromise what YOU LIKE for the sake of identifying with my position. I know full well that there is value in music I don't particularly care for. I'm not going to compromise my own standards though to see T-Pain as some musical genius. He's not. His entire career is based on the artificial manipulation of his voice. There's nothing genius about that. I'm sorry... I grew up on Stevie Wonder. I'm a Tony Royster, Jr. junkie. THAT is musical genius. T-Pain just found a way to pimp the game. More power to him. And for the record, I realize that dozens of musical innovations came as a result of utilizing tools in ways that were unintended. Many of those innovations became integral parts of the music world though. AutoTune, in its current form, will not. This is a trend that will fizzle out in due time. It's not like the advent of the electric guitar. I've heard that argument 100 times and it doesn't hold. AutoTune will continue to be used, sparingly, to correct pitch, but the T-Pain AT setting has an expiration date on it. [quote:a86ddf474b]For someone not wanting to be a stuffy hardass you sure are doing a good job at it.[/quote:a86ddf474b] If all that being a stuffy hardass entails is having a strong opinion that differs from your own... Call me Mr. Stuffy Hardass. I think that's silly though. I enjoy having discussions of this type. Where we debate the merits or lack thereof of different artists. Nobody should come away feeling like there's something wrong with where they stand on the issue. If you like T-Pain, amen. I'm not mad at your for it. But damn... I oughta be able to tell you I think he's trash... On a message board where the topic was raised...by someone else. Sheesh.[/quote:a86ddf474b]
47. Dec 5, 2008 11:55pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:87b3b3c2ea="Ben_Fuller"]I can honestly, from the bottom of my heart and having been a musician since i was 3 years old say that if you really think T Pain is completely devoid of talent then I just can't really take anything you say seriously, b/c it just shows you are too caught up in your own bitterness towards a trend he started to see anything else. I'm sorry but it is impossible to reach the level he, or any artist has reached without some level of talent, even corny ass manufactured pop groups have talent, in their own way.[/quote:87b3b3c2ea] I've already conceded that he has quantifiable musical talent. He obviously has a sense of what translates well to Corporate Radio. I make no bones about his ability to write popular songs. My problem, again, is the fact that his entire career is based around a preset on a pitch-corrective software program. [quote:87b3b3c2ea]I understand this little peanut gallery on here doesn't direct the music scene in KC, I am saying the attitudes expressed on here give insight (at least to me) on many of the massive deficiencies in the music scene you are a part of. Come on...[/quote:87b3b3c2ea] Critical musical tastes are not handicapping the local music scene. That's ridiculous. That assumes that everyone here or at least an acting majority shares my views of popular music. There's no correlation. Kansas City has an immensely diverse music culture. I can name local musicians in more than a dozen different genres. And even within those music genres there's a wide range of sub-genres. This town has as broad a spectrum, musically, as any town I've ever set foot in. [quote:87b3b3c2ea]I agree the autotune everything trend sucks, is it ruining music? Of course not, trends come and go. I would have thought you would have a better understanding of the music industry than to claim any one trend is ruining music. Diluting creativity...definitely, but thats been happening in pop music SINCE THE BEGINNING.[/quote:87b3b3c2ea] Let's keep this above the belt. Don't challenge my understanding of the music industry. I explained TO YOU that it was, in fact, a trend and couldn't be reconciled with major musical innovations like the electric guitar. I realize that it's going to die out. That's part of the reason why I've indicted the practice of gratuituous pitch-correction. It's a gimmick. One that involves little ingenuity on the part of the artist. It's being overused and it's over-saturating the music business. To the degree that artists who don't stand in need of it are following suit. It's stripping the artistic element away and discouraging a vocalist from being good at their craft. The hell with 20 takes if you can artificially enhance a vocal to achieve perfect pitch. [quote:87b3b3c2ea]Why step outside your own taste? To grow as a person and an artist thats why. Otherwise you keep operating in your comfort zone and you keep making the same boring shit...almost like T PAIN.[/quote:87b3b3c2ea] You have no idea what my personal musical tastes are. My commentary, alone, should make it painfully apparent that I'm an avid lover of music. The fact that I don't see the artistic merit of a, one, T-Pain has no bearing on my personal growth as a human being or as an artist. That's ridiculous. I think my love of Gospel, R&B/Contemporary Soul, Jazz, Classical, Reggae, Blues, Rap, and Rock serves me well. I'm about as an eclectic a music fan as you will find. Tastes don't get a whole lot broader than that.
48. Dec 6, 2008 03:01am by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    I don't care what nobody sez ... T-Pain can sing (without auto-tune). [size=18:8f7e010678]I think i'de like "808s and Heartbreak" better if somebody else had done it.[/size:8f7e010678] Cuz we can all agree Kanye is fulla shit nowadays.
49. Dec 6, 2008 05:56am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    I want this T-Pain back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRmNYil9diA ❓
50. Dec 7, 2008 01:20am by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:0c8fbad7bc="DR.T"]I don't care what nobody sez ... T-Pain can sing (without auto-tune).[/quote:0c8fbad7bc] Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UkXwKbn3Gs *Posts and runs out of the thread before people start throwing tomatoes*
51. Dec 7, 2008 02:04am by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IIF9IAQSnU[/url] [b:3ba9108c3c] [size=24:3ba9108c3c]MAN FUCK AUTOTUNE!!![/size:3ba9108c3c][/b:3ba9108c3c]
52. Dec 7, 2008 06:25am by mythik - www.myspace.com/mythillogical www.myspace.com/barbaricmerits www.barbaricmerits.com Location: Kansas City
    How bout these apples???!!!!! http://www.rappersiknow.com/2008/11/13/roger-riley-teddy-troutman-death-of-autotune-with-buck-em-down-bw-electric-relaxation/
53. Dec 7, 2008 01:51pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:b80795c0bb="Reach."] Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UkXwKbn3Gs *Posts and runs out of the thread before people start throwing tomatoes*[/quote:b80795c0bb] Whoops .... haha ... I guess not. I ain't seen this before. *puts tomatoes away*
54. Dec 8, 2008 03:33am by jayBird
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
55. Dec 8, 2008 12:37pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:bd29161460="jayBird"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4[/quote:bd29161460] ... WTF ....
56. Jan 23, 2009 10:20pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    random thought ... I bet you if John Mayer and Kanye got together for an album ... It would make up for this one.
57. Jan 24, 2009 02:33am by phism
    whatever, t-pain looks like dr. teeth. [img:da181228fb]http://www.metapeeps.com/images/famous_images/Dr._Teeth.jpg[/img:da181228fb] [img:da181228fb]http://whogossips.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/5.jpg[/img:da181228fb]
58. Jan 24, 2009 04:48am by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url] [url=http://www.myspace.com/jdflow]JDFlow on Myspace[/url] [url=http://ccedistribution.blogspot.com/]Distribution & Marketing[/url] Location: Seattle
    Kanye, or K Wizzle as I like to call him has a lot of dope material. He lost a fan in me after disrespecting Herbie Hancock. Rest in piss.
59. Jan 24, 2009 11:45pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    [quote:662f5e435b="phism"]whatever, t-pain looks like dr. teeth. [img:662f5e435b]http://www.metapeeps.com/images/famous_images/Dr._Teeth.jpg[/img:662f5e435b] [img:662f5e435b]http://whogossips.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/5.jpg[/img:662f5e435b][/quote:662f5e435b] *Dies*
60. Jan 25, 2009 01:15am by Les...Izmore - "Knowledge Speaks, Wisdom Listens" www.Izmore.com twitter.com/LesIzmoreHOD www.youtube.com/izmoremusic IZMORE/Soul Providers/RRC Location: MIDDLE OF THE MAP
    [quote:67f5679345="phism"]whatever, t-pain looks like dr. teeth. [img:67f5679345]http://www.metapeeps.com/images/famous_images/Dr._Teeth.jpg[/img:67f5679345] [img:67f5679345]http://whogossips.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/5.jpg[/img:67f5679345][/quote:67f5679345] [b:67f5679345][size=24:67f5679345]WTF!?![/size:67f5679345][/b:67f5679345]