Topic: Kinda funny.
- Apr 9, 2008 06:27pm by maclethal
I just think it's a little weird that a thread about the Cordish dress code in the P&L District garners 8 impassioned pages of injustice on here, but no one seems to give 2 shits about the fact that in America, there is somehow a way the government can implement a law that does not allow business proprietors to allow a legal activity such as smoking in their establishment.
By 3%, KCMO is now a non-smoking city.
FYI, this is the biggest crock of shit ever. I hope everyone who supports this gets hit by a bus. (joking)
FYI 2, my mother died of lung disease from smoking.
FYI 3, I HATE cigarettes.
- Apr 9, 2008 06:53pm by sixer
Can my life at least be saved by a chunk of my watch?
Seriously, I think smoking in enclosed public* buildings is incredibly thoughtless & selfish and if it takes the government to enact a law to prevent it, so be it. Want to smoke? Go outside.
Unless the law states you cannot smoke outside either, which I would happily disagree with.
My two cents.
*-I know businesses are privately owned, I am referring to buildings in which the public goes.
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In some American cities you can't even smoke in a public park.
[quote:0f964a1819]
Smoking banned at parks, beaches
COUNTY'S TRAILS INCLUDED; STARTS AS SOON AS MARCH 15
By Rebekah Gordon
MediaNews
Article Launched: 02/07/2007 02:08:07 AM PST
To the list of prohibitions in San Mateo County parks - pets, hard liquor and amplified music - add smoking.
The board of supervisors unanimously banned smoking Tuesday from all county-operated parks, trails and beaches.
"It seems so obvious that you wouldn't be allowed, or shouldn't be allowed, to smoke in our county parks," said Supervisor Jerry Hill, who sponsored the ordinance with Supervisor Rich Gordon. "I remember a number of times sitting in a picnic area, having a nice picnic, and there just happens to be - because it's so nice and open - people feel that they can sit at another table nearby and smoke a nice, big cigar," Hill said. "That just kind of spoiled it all for me."
Smoking will be banned from the county's 17 parks and 12 trails and their parking areas, possibly as soon as March 15.
The county cited secondhand smoke exposure, [color=yellow:0f964a1819]litter and fire hazards [/color:0f964a1819]as reasons.
Gordon came up with the idea after having enough of picking up cigarette butts at the Fitzgerald Marine Reserve and discovering that no regulation banning smoking in the county's 16,000 acres of parks was on the books.
"I've been consistently shocked to find that the number one item of litter that is collected during those beach cleanups are cigarette butts," Gordon said.
Gordon said he also worried about [color=yellow:0f964a1819]fire hazards[/color:0f964a1819] in the county's wooded park areas.
The county has already taken aggressive steps to ward off secondhand smoke.
State law
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requires a smoke-free buffer of 20 feet from entrances to city, county and state buildings, but in April, the county increased the ban to 30 feet from the perimeter of all county buildings.
The county also banned smoking from indoor and outdoor common areas in multiunit housing structures in its unincorporated jurisdictions.
The ordinance does not apply to city-operated parks, beaches or trails. Pacifica is the only city in the county with a similar ordinance, as it banned smoking from its beaches in September.
Belmont made national news in November with an attempt to ban smoking citywide, except in detached single-family houses. The city council is expected to vote on the issue in March.
San Francisco bans smoking from all parks, public squares and outdoor spaces that the city owns.
Serena Chen, policy advocacy director for the American Lung Association's greater Bay Area office in Emeryville, said she was pleased with the decision.
"People use the San Mateo County beaches a great deal, and we rely on them to get fresh air," Chen said. "It's kind of the opposite if you have to be submitted to someone's second-hand smoke."
The ordinance will be posted on signs and will be enforced as the county's other park rules are enforced: through park rangers and a diligent public. An outright violation can result in a $100 fine for the first offense.
The county and Statewide Archive of Tobacco Statistics estimates that 12 percent of San Mateo County residents are smokers.
But those 12 percent deserve consideration, said Robert Best, the state coordinator for The Smoker's Club, a nationwide grass-roots organization that advocates for smokers' rights.
"It's another attempt at legislation and discrimination against smokers. We are now being told in San Mateo County we can not enjoy parks and trails," said Best, who is based in Ventura. "Now we're telling smokers they have to leave the park to have a cigarette. That makes it inconvenient for smokers to go to the park at all."
Contact Rebekah Gordon at (650) 306-2428 [url][email protected][/url] .[/quote:0f964a1819]
http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_5174252?nclick_check=1
- Apr 9, 2008 08:23pm by danigirl Location: NYC/KC
Oh I can go on 8 pages on this topic..I never thought I could be for something as much as this.
To go home and not smell like an ashtray, to be able to breathe while im having a good time.
Being in a city that has this rule I hope KC goes for it. You won't be sorry. Sorry smokers...its horrible to sit there and have it inhale you habit and be sick for a week because of it.
- Apr 9, 2008 08:53pm by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb]
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Im a smoker , have been since I was about ten, Im 37 now, they are a horrible horrible addiction that is fucking up my health, and its becoming noticable to me that it is.
that being said, I think this law is bullshit, I enjoy smoking , I will smoke till I die most likely, think what you want of that, every one dies of something, and what ever you do die of, its never good.
To the best of my ability, I will live and die by my own terms.
- Apr 9, 2008 09:45pm by sikestyle - -Stuff and Things...Things and Stuff...
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i'd like to die on my own terms too...
hopefully not by 2nd hand smoke!
hahaha
you left yourself open for that one.. ha peace.
- Apr 9, 2008 10:15pm by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb]
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[quote:6733d7e273="sikestyle"]i'd like to die on my own terms too...
hopefully not by 2nd hand smoke!
hahaha
you left yourself open for that one.. ha peace.[/quote:6733d7e273]
ZING !!!!!
Nah for real, I respect those people who dont want smoke all up in there face, that real, but its to be expected in a bar.
- Apr 9, 2008 10:15pm by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb]
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[quote:ddeaaa3946="sikestyle"]i'd like to die on my own terms too...
hopefully not by 2nd hand smoke!
hahaha
you left yourself open for that one.. ha peace.[/quote:ddeaaa3946]
ZING !!!!!
Nah for real, I respect those people who dont want smoke all up in there face, thats real, but its to be expected in a bar.
- Apr 9, 2008 10:43pm by swayzorbladez - www.myspace.com/swayzorspitsbladez
It's been this way in op since january.. I am not a fan.. If the business doesn't want smokers fine.. but if the business doesn't care then why take it away from usssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
BTW
My job used to have a smoking break room.. and it was awesome..
RIP smoking indoors... I'll just have to bare the cold death of winter..
Time to upgrade from hoodie to MASSIVE jacket 😛
- Apr 10, 2008 01:06am by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb]
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[quote:840178156d="swayzorbladez"]It's been this way in op since january.. I am not a fan.. If the business doesn't want smokers fine.. but if the business doesn't care then why take it away from usssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
BTW
My job used to have a smoking break room.. and it was awesome..
RIP smoking indoors... I'll just have to bare the cold death of winter..
Time to upgrade from hoodie to MASSIVE jacket :P[/quote:840178156d]
Word, Im old enough to remember when I was a cashier at SAFEWAY (now Applemart) I could be smoking while ringing up you and your families groceries, I just let the Square dangle from the lips : )
Ahh, memories.
- Apr 10, 2008 02:17am by sikestyle - -Stuff and Things...Things and Stuff...
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so you all miss smoking on airplanes too i suppose right?
hahahaha
- Apr 10, 2008 02:19am by maclethal
More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.
- Apr 10, 2008 03:08am by danigirl Location: NYC/KC
[quote:7486566959="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:7486566959]
Don't think it's about people thinking they are "entitled", telling them what to do. Making an effort to decide "hey it would be nice for once not have to gag to death while enjoying a show, eating dinner or just having a drink." A lot of places it doesn't bother me, like the larger venues.
It only bothers me if i'm in a smaller placeor eating, I really hate that.
I just think it's rude for someone to be blowing smoke in my face at the table. Not only that there are a lot of people that are alergic to it.
Of course the smokers are going to be bothered, but people adapt,
deal with it and move on. Places still make their money and people
still go out and smoke. I don't think smokers realize how it makes a
non smoker person feel when they can't breathe.
- Apr 10, 2008 03:09am by trystyl - www.myspace.com/trystyl Location: KCMO
[quote:6f4d801b56="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:6f4d801b56]
exactly... no smoking in bars is like catholics with no pope
- Apr 10, 2008 03:12am by danigirl Location: NYC/KC
[quote:9534b7c4d5="trystyl"][quote:9534b7c4d5="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:9534b7c4d5]
exactly... no smoking in bars is like catholics with no pope[/quote:9534b7c4d5]
I would'nt go that far..LOL
- Apr 10, 2008 05:35am by sixer
Well yeah, smoking in a bar is one thing. When I go to a bar, I expect it to smell like cigarettes. I hate cigarettes and I even agree that is part of the verve of a bar.
But a restaurant? Come the fuck on.
I have waited on so many assholes who think it's perfectly acceptable to exhale their fucking exhaust in my direction while I was setting their food on the table. Fuck them, they deserve the government banning their ass and if everyone else has to suffer, I couldn't care less.
I'm gonna go punch a fucking animal now or something.
- Apr 10, 2008 06:47am by swayzorbladez - www.myspace.com/swayzorspitsbladez
This post is excellent.. so many diverse responses..
smoking in bars/casinos is one thing..
I could care less if I had to step outside a Denny's(one of the few resturants you could actually smoke in)
I'm just saying.. where ever you can gamble your money away, drink Alcohol(which turns certain people to smokers), play pool, or see a show you should be able to smoke..
I can't tell you how many times I have walked into an Overland Park bar and instantly lit up a smoke... Only to have an employee of the bar to tell me we can't smoke in the establishment..
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
for instance...
THE record bar and you couldn't smoke inside???
you may as well call it lawrence..
That was one of my favorite things of KC shows.. You didn't have to miss a performer while smoking.. I guess to quote sage..
"The only thing that stays the same is change"
-sb
- Apr 10, 2008 08:54am by maclethal
[quote:fcbe7c6d4c="danigirl"][quote:fcbe7c6d4c="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:fcbe7c6d4c]
Don't think it's about people thinking they are "entitled", telling them what to do. Making an effort to decide "hey it would be nice for once not have to gag to death while enjoying a show, eating dinner or just having a drink." A lot of places it doesn't bother me, like the larger venues.
It only bothers me if i'm in a smaller placeor eating, I really hate that.
I just think it's rude for someone to be blowing smoke in my face at the table. Not only that there are a lot of people that are alergic to it.
Of course the smokers are going to be bothered, but people adapt,
deal with it and move on. Places still make their money and people
still go out and smoke. I don't think smokers realize how it makes a
non smoker person feel when they can't breathe.[/quote:fcbe7c6d4c]
Dude, no one is suggesting that cigarette smoke is pleasurable.
Think beyond that.
Anyone who wants to start a business, whether that business is the size of Fric and Frac, or that business is the size of Applebee's. ANYONE who starts a business should have the right to decide what does and doesn't go down in their business without the government dipping their hands into it. At least if it's legal, which cigarette smoking IS.
I hate cigarettes. But more than the disgusting taste of second-hand smoke, I hate the idea that the miniscule amount of "freedom" we have is further being fucked with by bans and legislation. As American business owners, or in some of y'alls cases, POTENTIAL American business owners, you want no one dictating how your clientele enjoys themselves, as long as it's not breaking any laws.
A lot of local, independent, Kansas City restaurants and bars are going to take a massive hit because of this ban. People enjoy smoking. No one forces you to go out to these establishments where smoking is allowed. It should be the absolute decision of the business proprietor.
Smokers should have no right to complain about a non-smoking establishment.
Non-smokers should have no right to complain about a smoking establishment.
By the way... what fucking difference does it make if it's a restaurant or bar or strip club? Hell, start a smoking church for all I care.
I support the American, independent business owner more than anyone in the world. I run my own business, I pay taxes on my own business, and absolutely despise anyone who thinks their personal preference of business atmosphere should dictate how I run my own business.
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[quote:8202bab34c="maclethal"][quote:8202bab34c="danigirl"][quote:8202bab34c="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:8202bab34c]
Don't think it's about people thinking they are "entitled", telling them what to do. Making an effort to decide "hey it would be nice for once not have to gag to death while enjoying a show, eating dinner or just having a drink." A lot of places it doesn't bother me, like the larger venues.
It only bothers me if i'm in a smaller placeor eating, I really hate that.
I just think it's rude for someone to be blowing smoke in my face at the table. Not only that there are a lot of people that are alergic to it.
Of course the smokers are going to be bothered, but people adapt,
deal with it and move on. Places still make their money and people
still go out and smoke. I don't think smokers realize how it makes a
non smoker person feel when they can't breathe.[/quote:8202bab34c]
Dude, no one is suggesting that cigarette smoke is pleasurable.
Think beyond that.
Anyone who wants to start a business, whether that business is the size of Fric and Frac, or that business is the size of Applebee's. ANYONE who starts a business should have the right to decide what does and doesn't go down in their business without the government dipping their hands into it. At least if it's legal, which cigarette smoking IS.
I hate cigarettes. But more than the disgusting taste of second-hand smoke, I hate the idea that the miniscule amount of "freedom" we have is further being fucked with by bans and legislation. As American business owners, or in some of y'alls cases, POTENTIAL American business owners, you want no one dictating how your clientele enjoys themselves, as long as it's not breaking any laws.
A lot of local, independent, Kansas City restaurants and bars are going to take a massive hit because of this ban. People enjoy smoking. No one forces you to go out to these establishments where smoking is allowed. It should be the absolute decision of the business proprietor.
Smokers should have no right to complain about a non-smoking establishment.
Non-smokers should have no right to complain about a smoking establishment.
By the way... what fucking difference does it make if it's a restaurant or bar or strip club? Hell, start a smoking church for all I care.
I support the American, independent business owner more than anyone in the world. I run my own business, I pay taxes on my own business, and absolutely despise anyone who thinks their personal preference of business atmosphere should dictate how I run my own business.[/quote:8202bab34c]
WORD the fuck UP.
- Apr 10, 2008 11:36pm by trystyl - www.myspace.com/trystyl Location: KCMO
Amen.... smoking church would be dope.
there have got to be some loopholes i.e. rec bar also sells cigarettes i am sure there is some way to work around it.
i love cigarettes
- Apr 11, 2008 01:09am by Lucidialect
Fuck cigarettes. Second hand smoke should give me more than emphysema. Smoking blunts in public should be socially acceptable. Ya'll had your time.
- Apr 11, 2008 02:26am by jayBird
yay for banning smoking. should ban it everywhere.
- Apr 11, 2008 03:41am by tnalverio
THIS IS A WAY BETTER TOPIC THAN THE POWER & LIGHT.... NO FUCKING WAY
- Apr 11, 2008 05:05am by maclethal
[quote:2ea9a313e1="tnalverio"]THIS IS A WAY BETTER TOPIC THAN THE POWER & LIGHT.... NO FUCKING WAY[/quote:2ea9a313e1]
I wasn't aware that this was a contest as to what topic was "better." I know you have a deep emotional attachment to your topic about the P&L district, but some other topics are allowed to be discussed on this board.
Word to blunts in public.
- Apr 11, 2008 06:10am by swayzorbladez - www.myspace.com/swayzorspitsbladez
[quote:7515d9ba4b="maclethal"]
Word to blunts in public.[/quote:7515d9ba4b]
amen
- Apr 11, 2008 01:44pm by sixer
[quote:7af8683745="swayzorbladez"][quote:7af8683745="maclethal"]
Word to blunts in public.[/quote:7af8683745]
amen[/quote:7af8683745]
Ditto.
- Apr 11, 2008 03:04pm by dublow - http://KCMusicScene.com
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[quote:38ec2e2560="maclethal"][quote:38ec2e2560="danigirl"][quote:38ec2e2560="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:38ec2e2560]
Don't think it's about people thinking they are "entitled", telling them what to do. Making an effort to decide "hey it would be nice for once not have to gag to death while enjoying a show, eating dinner or just having a drink." A lot of places it doesn't bother me, like the larger venues.
It only bothers me if i'm in a smaller placeor eating, I really hate that.
I just think it's rude for someone to be blowing smoke in my face at the table. Not only that there are a lot of people that are alergic to it.
Of course the smokers are going to be bothered, but people adapt,
deal with it and move on. Places still make their money and people
still go out and smoke. I don't think smokers realize how it makes a
non smoker person feel when they can't breathe.[/quote:38ec2e2560]
Dude, no one is suggesting that cigarette smoke is pleasurable.
Think beyond that.
Anyone who wants to start a business, whether that business is the size of Fric and Frac, or that business is the size of Applebee's. ANYONE who starts a business should have the right to decide what does and doesn't go down in their business without the government dipping their hands into it. At least if it's legal, which cigarette smoking IS.
I hate cigarettes. But more than the disgusting taste of second-hand smoke, I hate the idea that the miniscule amount of "freedom" we have is further being fucked with by bans and legislation. As American business owners, or in some of y'alls cases, POTENTIAL American business owners, you want no one dictating how your clientele enjoys themselves, as long as it's not breaking any laws.
A lot of local, independent, Kansas City restaurants and bars are going to take a massive hit because of this ban. People enjoy smoking. No one forces you to go out to these establishments where smoking is allowed. It should be the absolute decision of the business proprietor.
Smokers should have no right to complain about a non-smoking establishment.
Non-smokers should have no right to complain about a smoking establishment.
By the way... what fucking difference does it make if it's a restaurant or bar or strip club? Hell, start a smoking church for all I care.
I support the American, independent business owner more than anyone in the world. I run my own business, I pay taxes on my own business, and absolutely despise anyone who thinks their personal preference of business atmosphere should dictate how I run my own business.[/quote:38ec2e2560]
How would you feel if your mom died of lung disease from cigarette smoke......and never even picked up a cigarette?
Businesses being allowed to do whatever they want, is the most hilarious argument i've ever heard, especially when it's of a public health concern. Then should they be able to dump some waste in water supplies if it has a chance of boosting their profit margin?
You're a piss poor business owner if you can't adapt to change. You shouldn't even be in business, and won't be too much longer if you can't adapt.
And there is a big problem if cigarettes are legal and cheeba isn't.
My side notes:
-I smoked for years
-I'm a business owner
-I like freedom
- Apr 11, 2008 04:32pm by sixer
[quote:bc51944a57="dublow"]Businesses being allowed to do whatever they want, is the most hilarious argument i've ever heard, especially when it's of a public health concern.[/quote:bc51944a57]
Thank you, this is what I was trying to say.
- Apr 11, 2008 05:29pm by jayBird
dublow hit the nail on the head, or at least how i feel.
up until the cheeba & sidenotes.
- Apr 11, 2008 06:04pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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I like being able to go home without my clothes smelling of smoke, but I'm a non-smoker. To me, it's really not a big deal to have to go outside to light up. But that's a biased perspective. As is the smoker's perspective.
Second Hand Smoke is a pretty serious issue though.
Maybe that's the lens we should be looking at this issue through?
- Apr 11, 2008 06:09pm by sikestyle - -Stuff and Things...Things and Stuff...
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That would be a pretty foggy lens to view thing through Reach, wouldn't it?
ha
- Apr 11, 2008 11:02pm by maclethal
[quote:fa155ce743="dublow"][quote:fa155ce743="maclethal"][quote:fa155ce743="danigirl"][quote:fa155ce743="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:fa155ce743]
Don't think it's about people thinking they are "entitled", telling them what to do. Making an effort to decide "hey it would be nice for once not have to gag to death while enjoying a show, eating dinner or just having a drink." A lot of places it doesn't bother me, like the larger venues.
It only bothers me if i'm in a smaller placeor eating, I really hate that.
I just think it's rude for someone to be blowing smoke in my face at the table. Not only that there are a lot of people that are alergic to it.
Of course the smokers are going to be bothered, but people adapt,
deal with it and move on. Places still make their money and people
still go out and smoke. I don't think smokers realize how it makes a
non smoker person feel when they can't breathe.[/quote:fa155ce743]
Dude, no one is suggesting that cigarette smoke is pleasurable.
Think beyond that.
Anyone who wants to start a business, whether that business is the size of Fric and Frac, or that business is the size of Applebee's. ANYONE who starts a business should have the right to decide what does and doesn't go down in their business without the government dipping their hands into it. At least if it's legal, which cigarette smoking IS.
I hate cigarettes. But more than the disgusting taste of second-hand smoke, I hate the idea that the miniscule amount of "freedom" we have is further being fucked with by bans and legislation. As American business owners, or in some of y'alls cases, POTENTIAL American business owners, you want no one dictating how your clientele enjoys themselves, as long as it's not breaking any laws.
A lot of local, independent, Kansas City restaurants and bars are going to take a massive hit because of this ban. People enjoy smoking. No one forces you to go out to these establishments where smoking is allowed. It should be the absolute decision of the business proprietor.
Smokers should have no right to complain about a non-smoking establishment.
Non-smokers should have no right to complain about a smoking establishment.
By the way... what fucking difference does it make if it's a restaurant or bar or strip club? Hell, start a smoking church for all I care.
I support the American, independent business owner more than anyone in the world. I run my own business, I pay taxes on my own business, and absolutely despise anyone who thinks their personal preference of business atmosphere should dictate how I run my own business.[/quote:fa155ce743]
How would you feel if your mom died of lung disease from cigarette smoke......and never even picked up a cigarette?
Businesses being allowed to do whatever they want, is the most hilarious argument i've ever heard, especially when it's of a public health concern. Then should they be able to dump some waste in water supplies if it has a chance of boosting their profit margin?
You're a piss poor business owner if you can't adapt to change. You shouldn't even be in business, and won't be too much longer if you can't adapt.
And there is a big problem if cigarettes are legal and cheeba isn't.
My side notes:
-I smoked for years
-I'm a business owner
-I like freedom[/quote:fa155ce743]
Dumping toxic waste in public water supplies? What? Talk about romanticizing a stance on something.
Secondhand smoke in privately owned businesses being a "public health concern" is an oxymoron. We are talking about privately owned businesses, not city parks. Remember, no one forces anyone to go to these businesses. Next thing you know, psycho fundamentalist Christians are going to be complaining about seeing ***** ***** when they choose to attend strip clubs.
I agree Reach, going outside to light up shouldn't be an issue. But furthermore, going outside to light up shouldn't be necessary at all. I don't feel this issue can be held under the umbrella of public health concerns. Especially when there is no ban on people getting shit-faced drunk at the bar and killing an innocent person on their drive home. That is way more of a public health concern. Especially because the victim does not have the choice to be involved with the situation. Yes, that is me romanticizing my stance, but my point revolves around the idea of CHOICE. You have the choice to enter the bar. The bar owner should have the choice as to whether or not you get to smoke in his/her establishment.
And no, you aren't a shitty business owner if you can't adapt. In this situation I would agree, but come on. Uncontrollable situations completely obliterate entire INDUSTRIES sometimes, let alone businesses.
Word to legalizing marijuana smoke though. Make sure when you do it, we are allowed to do it at bars and restaurants too. You know? The ones that warn you before you enter that, "THIS IS A SMOKING ESTABLISHMENT."
- Apr 11, 2008 11:13pm by phism
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[quote:dcccec9783="maclethal"][quote:dcccec9783="dublow"][quote:dcccec9783="maclethal"][quote:dcccec9783="danigirl"][quote:dcccec9783="maclethal"]More examples of every day people acting like they are entitled to decide how privately owned businesses are operated.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INHALE SECOND HAND SMOKE THEN GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING ESTABLISHMENT.[/quote:dcccec9783]
Don't think it's about people thinking they are "entitled", telling them what to do. Making an effort to decide "hey it would be nice for once not have to gag to death while enjoying a show, eating dinner or just having a drink." A lot of places it doesn't bother me, like the larger venues.
It only bothers me if i'm in a smaller placeor eating, I really hate that.
I just think it's rude for someone to be blowing smoke in my face at the table. Not only that there are a lot of people that are alergic to it.
Of course the smokers are going to be bothered, but people adapt,
deal with it and move on. Places still make their money and people
still go out and smoke. I don't think smokers realize how it makes a
non smoker person feel when they can't breathe.[/quote:dcccec9783]
Dude, no one is suggesting that cigarette smoke is pleasurable.
Think beyond that.
Anyone who wants to start a business, whether that business is the size of Fric and Frac, or that business is the size of Applebee's. ANYONE who starts a business should have the right to decide what does and doesn't go down in their business without the government dipping their hands into it. At least if it's legal, which cigarette smoking IS.
I hate cigarettes. But more than the disgusting taste of second-hand smoke, I hate the idea that the miniscule amount of "freedom" we have is further being fucked with by bans and legislation. As American business owners, or in some of y'alls cases, POTENTIAL American business owners, you want no one dictating how your clientele enjoys themselves, as long as it's not breaking any laws.
A lot of local, independent, Kansas City restaurants and bars are going to take a massive hit because of this ban. People enjoy smoking. No one forces you to go out to these establishments where smoking is allowed. It should be the absolute decision of the business proprietor.
Smokers should have no right to complain about a non-smoking establishment.
Non-smokers should have no right to complain about a smoking establishment.
By the way... what fucking difference does it make if it's a restaurant or bar or strip club? Hell, start a smoking church for all I care.
I support the American, independent business owner more than anyone in the world. I run my own business, I pay taxes on my own business, and absolutely despise anyone who thinks their personal preference of business atmosphere should dictate how I run my own business.[/quote:dcccec9783]
How would you feel if your mom died of lung disease from cigarette smoke......and never even picked up a cigarette?
Businesses being allowed to do whatever they want, is the most hilarious argument i've ever heard, especially when it's of a public health concern. Then should they be able to dump some waste in water supplies if it has a chance of boosting their profit margin?
You're a piss poor business owner if you can't adapt to change. You shouldn't even be in business, and won't be too much longer if you can't adapt.
And there is a big problem if cigarettes are legal and cheeba isn't.
My side notes:
-I smoked for years
-I'm a business owner
-I like freedom[/quote:dcccec9783]
Dumping toxic waste in public water supplies? What? Talk about romanticizing a stance on something.
Secondhand smoke in privately owned businesses being a "public health concern" is an oxymoron. We are talking about privately owned businesses, not city parks. Remember, no one forces anyone to go to these businesses. Next thing you know, psycho fundamentalist Christians are going to be complaining about seeing ***** ***** when they choose to attend strip clubs.
I agree Reach, going outside to light up shouldn't be an issue. But furthermore, going outside to light up shouldn't be necessary at all. I don't feel this issue can be held under the umbrella of public health concerns. Especially when there is no ban on people getting shit-faced drunk at the bar and killing an innocent person on their drive home. That is way more of a public health concern. Especially because the victim does not have the choice to be involved with the situation. Yes, that is me romanticizing my stance, but my point revolves around the idea of CHOICE. You have the choice to enter the bar. The bar owner should have the choice as to whether or not you get to smoke in his/her establishment.
And no, you aren't a shitty business owner if you can't adapt. In this situation I would agree, but come on. Uncontrollable situations completely obliterate entire INDUSTRIES sometimes, let alone businesses.
Word to legalizing marijuana smoke though. Make sure when you do it, we are allowed to do it at bars and restaurants too. You know? The ones that warn you before you enter that, "THIS IS A SMOKING ESTABLISHMENT."[/quote:dcccec9783]
Well said.
- Apr 12, 2008 01:23am by swayzorbladez - www.myspace.com/swayzorspitsbladez
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are rocks still off limits?[/quote:3ba1769ef4]
unfortunately D:
can't wait for anarchy
