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Topic: Boston Tea Party

1. Dec 14, 2007 07:31am by Whatsgood
   Be apart of history and donate to Ron Paul for the Boston Tea Part Dec 16th! Seriously donate 5 bucks that can't even get you a couple gallons of gasoline but it will make you apart of history (biggest donation day for any candidate) and it's a way for the people to stand up to big government. Ron continues to go up in every poll predicted to finish third in Iowa, has a chance at winning New Hampshire, leading in Alaska, Polling in double digits in South Carolina, Colorado, ect. http://www.teaparty07.com/ Sunday at the Plaza by the fountains we'll be celebrating.
2. Dec 14, 2007 07:32pm by Blam Location: Kansas City, MO
   i got 5 on it. f'real. thanks for letting me know how i can donate to the truth. i dont wanna kick the politics but people need to wake up, nameen? mad people sleeping.
3. Dec 14, 2007 10:05pm by phism
   are you dumping tea in the fountains?
4. Dec 15, 2007 02:24am by Whatsgood
   [quote:f71f82b8c0="phism"]are you dumping tea in the fountains?[/quote:f71f82b8c0] LMAO thats actually a good idea but I bet we'd get arrested for that 🙁
5. Dec 15, 2007 09:32am by phism
   [quote:437962568f="Whatsgood"][quote:437962568f="phism"]are you dumping tea in the fountains?[/quote:437962568f] LMAO thats actually a good idea but I bet we'd get arrested for that :([/quote:437962568f] what does that say about your generation? you think the actual boston tea party wasn't legally reprehensible? i don't really know what i'm getting at, but damn. p.s. violence is the answer.
6. Dec 15, 2007 06:55pm by Whatsgood
   It says the grassroots is working very very hard for Ron Paul and I wouldn't want the big day to be overshadowed by vandilsm 🙂
7. Dec 15, 2007 07:43pm by phism
   well, you're not going to get on the news any other way.
8. Dec 15, 2007 08:02pm by nadia
   OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!
9. Dec 15, 2007 09:55pm by Whatsgood
   [quote:3763b8f0f2="nadia"]OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT![/quote:3763b8f0f2] The same guy who skipped the vote that named Iran's army a terrorist organization and the same guy who signed the homegrown terrorism bill? No thanks I think i'll push for a real change.
10. Dec 15, 2007 11:44pm by phism
    [quote:64be70bb3f="Whatsgood"][quote:64be70bb3f="nadia"]OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT![/quote:64be70bb3f] The same guy who skipped the vote that named Iran's army a terrorist organization and the same guy who signed the homegrown terrorism bill? No thanks I think i'll push for a real change.[/quote:64be70bb3f] not likely. have you considered moving? [img:64be70bb3f]http://www.wvu.edu/~alumband/tour/2007/scandinavia_map.jpg[/img:64be70bb3f]
11. Dec 16, 2007 08:04am by Whatsgood
    The campaign has already surpassed it's goal of 12 million for the QTR. HAPPY TEA PARTY EVERYONE!
12. Dec 17, 2007 06:11pm by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
    [quote:fb61b8580c="Whatsgood"][quote:fb61b8580c="nadia"]OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT![/quote:fb61b8580c] The same guy who skipped the vote that named Iran's army a terrorist organization and the same guy who signed the homegrown terrorism bill? No thanks I think i'll push for a real change.[/quote:fb61b8580c] OH OK!! But everyone on a HIP HOP Forum should support the same guy that - [color=darkred:fb61b8580c] [b:fb61b8580c] - OPPOSES Hate Crimes Legislation - OPPOSES the Kyoto Protocol - OPPOSES funding to minority schools[/b:fb61b8580c][/color:fb61b8580c] Great. WG. Supporting the Republican agenda should be treated like snitching is treated in the streets.
13. Dec 17, 2007 09:00pm by ldstroy - www.innatesounds.com
    i dont really see ron paul following the "republican agenda". if anything, the man is more libratarian than republican.
14. Dec 18, 2007 01:08am by phism
    wasn't he planning to run on the republican ticket before he didn't get nominated?
15. Dec 18, 2007 02:35am by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
    [quote:8789c7a837="ldstroy"]i dont really see ron paul following the "republican agenda". if anything, the man is more libratarian than republican.[/quote:8789c7a837] Well, I hoped so, until I saw his voting record. No escapin it. Republican = F* the common man.
16. Dec 18, 2007 07:48pm by nadia
    Dude is not a "libratarian." haha. If he were, I'd probably have some respect for him. He is an isolationist -- pretty useless in a globalized society.
17. Dec 19, 2007 03:27am by ldstroy - www.innatesounds.com
    sorry for having an opinion. my bad.
18. Dec 19, 2007 06:52pm by phism
    [img:74ee814678]http://biblioharlot.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/librarian.jpg[/img:74ee814678] did somebody say librarian?
19. Dec 19, 2007 08:23pm by nadia
    Yes! Librarians for President! haha
20. Dec 19, 2007 10:03pm by Whatsgood
    [quote:dc6654ca20="nadia"]Dude is not a "libratarian." haha. If he were, I'd probably have some respect for him. He is an isolationist -- pretty useless in a globalized society.[/quote:dc6654ca20] Not true. 1. The Libertarian party has already offered him the nomination and I believe he turned it down. 2. Ron Paul isn't an isolationist. Isolationist don't trade with other countries.. He wants to trade with everyone and lift the ban off Cuba! He believes we shouldn't get into other countries affairs using military force. You really should brush up on your politics.
21. Dec 19, 2007 10:25pm by Whatsgood
    [quote:119d2f505b="DJSKEME"][quote:119d2f505b="Whatsgood"][quote:119d2f505b="nadia"]OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT![/quote:119d2f505b] The same guy who skipped the vote that named Iran's army a terrorist organization and the same guy who signed the homegrown terrorism bill? No thanks I think i'll push for a real change.[/quote:119d2f505b] OH OK!! But everyone on a HIP HOP Forum should support the same guy that - [color=darkred:119d2f505b] [b:119d2f505b] - OPPOSES Hate Crimes Legislation - OPPOSES the Kyoto Protocol - OPPOSES funding to minority schools[/b:119d2f505b][/color:119d2f505b] Great. WG. Supporting the Republican agenda should be treated like snitching is treated in the streets.[/quote:119d2f505b] Hence why he has the name " Dr. NO". He opposes big government and you must not have paid much attention the past 8 years there is no Republican or Democrat it's all big spending government! I never said anyone should support the same guy buy you should atleast know where the guy you're supporting on the issues stand.
22. Dec 19, 2007 10:35pm by nadia
    Whatsgood, I hate to break it to you but you have to be at least 18 to vote.
23. Dec 20, 2007 10:10am by phism
    [img:4cd1a4095f]http://www.hiphopkc.com/albums/album01/godzilla_destruction.sized.jpg[/img:4cd1a4095f]
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25. Dec 27, 2007 05:34pm by Krisna - "We live in an intensely political age and theory and historical experience show us that the condition of any artistic development is an uncompromising hostility to the values of Stalinism and to those of American bourgeois society." -CLR James
    I realize this post is a bit dated, but I wanted to throw in a blog I wrote on Ron Paul back in November for further consideration. As for myself, I do not endorse any candidate for president so please bear that in mind when reading this. Basically, it was NOT written to make another prospective look good. From www.democracyandhiphop.com While we have often taken up the question of efforts to make a coherent politics out of hip-hop, today we take up the injecting of politics into it. See the new unofficial endorsement of right-wing Libertarian candidate for president, Ron Paul, by the blog Where HipHop and Libertarianism Meet(WHHLM) (http://ulmann.blogspot.com/). First, while WHHLM states that Paul has no control over who endorses him, it should be to no one's surprise that Stormfront (a "white nationalist" group) has endorsed Ron Paul. Politicians like Paul pretend to have a monopoly on the term "libertarianism", ignoring its left-wing and anarchist traditions. Of course, the danger in subscribing simply to "libertarianism" leaves one open to its chauvinistic variants. Because of this, alternatives have developed (libertarian socialism, libertarian communism, etc.) which attempt to deviate from the petty property rights and fake populism of its right-wing counterpart. A great bulk of the hip-hop generation, or those influenced by hip-hop, are undocumented workers; people that Ron Paul wants to effectively strip of any rights or aid as if the surplus-value they contribute to the US economy through their labor is nil. Immigrants give more precisely because they are exploited to a higher degree than American-born workers. This makes them central to the emancipation of working people generally, just as the eradication of slave labor in the US South was central to the struggle of Northern workers. Secondly, the pitfalls of the politics of WHHLM is that a preconceived agenda winds up being forced on hip-hop from without. As a result, it squeezes hip-hop into categories which are incompatible with its content ("Hip-hop should be this or that."). This is not to say that one cannot interject to push an object into a particular direction, but this direction has to be a latent tendency within it already. Reaction (right-wing libertarianism), minus one Zionist rapper who springs to mind, is not an existing tendency and is, in fact, antithetical to hip-hop. This is because of hip-hop's inherent mass character. The property rights of a few and backward nationalism are not of a mass, universal content. Democracy and Hip-Hop is a blog with a political perspective on social issues also, but the divergence is that we let hip-hop as an object become on its own terms, accepting the components which are necessarily authoritarian. Authoritarianism should be struggled against, but only as it manifests in reality and social relationships, not as it manifests in art. Check out Where HipHop and Libertarianism Meet and let us know how it strikes you. http://democracyandhiphop.blogspot.com/2007/10/apparently-ron-paul-is-hip-hop.html There is a discussion following this piece on D&HHP. Peace.
26. Dec 28, 2007 05:30am by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
    [quote:ed6abf0b70="Whatsgood"] Hence why he has the name " Dr. NO". He opposes big government and you must not have paid much attention the past 8 years there is no Republican or Democrat it's all big spending government! I never said anyone should support the same guy buy you should atleast know where the guy you're supporting on the issues stand.[/quote:ed6abf0b70] Either you must've not paid any attention to my last statement, or you are playing REPUBLICAN by ignoring the issue at hand, and moving on to another point. IE Afghanistan and Iraq. What does big govt. have to do with minority schools or hate crimes legislation? DR NO to equal rights seems like. If you know who you support like you say, it's funny you would even back a Republican and be posting on a hip hop site. Where do you get that I don't know the issues of who I support? I didn't even say who I support. SON...
27. Dec 29, 2007 02:48am by Whatsgood
    [quote:9f4f93b5dc="DJSKEME"][quote:9f4f93b5dc="Whatsgood"] Hence why he has the name " Dr. NO". He opposes big government and you must not have paid much attention the past 8 years there is no Republican or Democrat it's all big spending government! I never said anyone should support the same guy buy you should atleast know where the guy you're supporting on the issues stand.[/quote:9f4f93b5dc] Either you must've not paid any attention to my last statement, or you are playing REPUBLICAN by ignoring the issue at hand, and moving on to another point. IE Afghanistan and Iraq. What does big govt. have to do with minority schools or hate crimes legislation? DR NO to equal rights seems like. If you know who you support like you say, it's funny you would even back a Republican and be posting on a hip hop site. Where do you get that I don't know the issues of who I support? I didn't even say who I support. SON...[/quote:9f4f93b5dc] lol what the fuck does it matter what my party affilation have to do with being on a hip-hop site? Holy close mindedness batman. Do yourself a favor and learn a thing or two before you open your big mouth. RP At the African American Debate Morgan State: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSpANnlfFbc Go to Ron Paul 2008: Guess what? They have song on there... by a rapper no less!
28. Dec 29, 2007 03:33pm by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
    [quote:7f434321bc="Whatsgood"][quote:7f434321bc="DJSKEME"][quote:7f434321bc="Whatsgood"] Hence why he has the name " Dr. NO". He opposes big government and you must not have paid much attention the past 8 years there is no Republican or Democrat it's all big spending government! I never said anyone should support the same guy buy you should atleast know where the guy you're supporting on the issues stand.[/quote:7f434321bc] Either you must've not paid any attention to my last statement, or you are playing REPUBLICAN by ignoring the issue at hand, and moving on to another point. IE Afghanistan and Iraq. What does big govt. have to do with minority schools or hate crimes legislation? DR NO to equal rights seems like. If you know who you support like you say, it's funny you would even back a Republican and be posting on a hip hop site. Where do you get that I don't know the issues of who I support? I didn't even say who I support. SON...[/quote:7f434321bc] lol what the fuck does it matter what my party affilation have to do with being on a hip-hop site? Holy close mindedness batman. Do yourself a favor and learn a thing or two before you open your big mouth. RP At the African American Debate Morgan State: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSpANnlfFbc Go to Ron Paul 2008: Guess what? They have song on there... by a rapper no less![/quote:7f434321bc] 1st off, ASSHOLE, I can say what th F* I want in a free speech society. The big mouth is the one is the one that comes off CRASS and with no CLASS!! I didn't even take it there. But that's just like a REPUBLICAN. Becoming defensive jerks without reason. It's simple reasoning. The morals, or lack of that the political party pushes to society is mainly how this whole genre of music evolved!! Talking about the hardships of being other then privileged. IE the Reagan era!! NO SHIT ROBIN! POW! That's why it's hilarious to me to see how anyone could support their agendas when they are clearly against minorities.. well everyone seems to get it, but you. And.. How the hell does a youtube debate erase what the guy has voted for? So I guess we can all believe what a politician says despite his voting record.... THANKS TO YOUTUBE!! Get outta here. If you believe that.. well, I guess you're really as dumb as your comments make you sound.
29. Dec 29, 2007 08:15pm by Krisna - "We live in an intensely political age and theory and historical experience show us that the condition of any artistic development is an uncompromising hostility to the values of Stalinism and to those of American bourgeois society." -CLR James
    Skeme, what's up. I'd like to know if your comments imply that Democrats have any different overall and fundamental relation to black or working people. For both Skeme and Whatsgood. This is not a problem of supporting the party which has the interests of common folks at heart. It is a problem that has [i:4a1db2906d]class [/i:4a1db2906d]implications; both Republicans and Democrats are business parties which have two somewhat different approaches towards how they subordinate and and keep working people under the heel of the ruling class. Because of their inherent nature they cannot have any other interest but their own. This is precisely why most people do not turn out in presidential elections: not only do they feel that any candidate represents their fundamental interests, but because they sense the bankruptcy of officialdom altogether. This is problem that can only be reconciled through to struggle of common people to organize and associate on their own free will and to assert their free association in such a way as to throw off the old society and the old politics. Just a thought.
30. Dec 29, 2007 09:03pm by Whatsgood
    [quote:98215008b2="Krisna"]Skeme, what's up. I'd like to know if your comments imply that Democrats have any different overall and fundamental relation to black or working people. For both Skeme and Whatsgood. This is not a problem of supporting the party which has the interests of common folks at heart. It is a problem that has [i:98215008b2]class [/i:98215008b2]implications; both Republicans and Democrats are business parties which have two somewhat different approaches towards how they subordinate and and keep working people under the heel of the ruling class. Because of their inherent nature they cannot have any other interest but their own. This is precisely why most people do not turn out in presidential elections: not only do they feel that any candidate represents their fundamental interests, but because they sense the bankruptcy of officialdom altogether. This is problem that can only be reconciled through to struggle of common people to organize and associate on their own free will and to assert their free association in such a way as to throw off the old society and the old politics. Just a thought.[/quote:98215008b2] Krisna I totally agree. However I feel that Ron Paul isn't your average politican and he is the best candidate when it comes to protecting peoples liberties. I think his foreign policy is right on, I also like his view on the dollar (which continues to fall), and I like his message about following the constitution. If he really was the average Republican I don't think he would have been excluded from the Republican debate this January 6th, Hated by neo-con talking heads like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, ect.
31. Dec 29, 2007 09:53pm by Krisna - "We live in an intensely political age and theory and historical experience show us that the condition of any artistic development is an uncompromising hostility to the values of Stalinism and to those of American bourgeois society." -CLR James
    Whatsgood, This response is reprinted from another one that I wrote earlier, but I feel is relevant to the point. [What] we're saying about Paul is that is a mistake to consider him a friend of the hip-hop generation [as well as working people generally] and that what he represents politically is closer to fascism than socialism. A close examination of history will reveal this tendency. Huey Long, Louisiana's governor in the late 20s and early 30s and George Wallace, governor of Alabama in the mid 1960s, both came to power on a similar platform based on their outspoken criticism of "the establishment and the powers that be". But this critique of the ruling barons of society was always connected to "their collusion with the nigger" who [they contended] received more privileges than while folks. In Ron Paul's case, it is undocumented workers who are the supposed beloved class of ruling society. This pitting of working people against one another is precisely how Hitler and Mussolini wound up going from margins to mainstream politics. Also, as part of their middle class, petit-bourgeois character, populists always appeal to property rights and to the fear of propertied middle class white folks who don't want their stores burnt down in the next uprising of black and immigrant workers. They take a highly statist approach and don't bat an eye about forceful, state invervention to "protect" petty property rights. We're not comparing Ron Paul to Hitler, but what linking his politics to very real currents in history. There were other folks who had critiques of capitalist society, but who did not capitulate to white supremacy or chauvinism. See the C.L.R. James, Selma James, Grace Lee Boggs, League of Revolutionary Black Workers, SNCC, Revolutionary Action Movement, the Black Panther Party. Of course none of these folks or groups were attempting to run on a presidential ticket because they believed in and knew of the self-governing instincts of working people to institute a new society on their own accord.* As far as civil liberties are concerned, what kind of liberties can we seriously hope to gain if they are dependent upon the denial of such liberties to immigrant workers? Any civil liberties that we enjoy today (which are far and few between) were not the result of working people voting for the right politician, they were the result of mass movements, particularly, mass movements were immigrant workers were invariably essential to. The old maxim which is somewhat cliche today, but that still rings true is that no one is free when others are oppressed. Native born workers are no better off when their immigrant counterparts are denied and robbed of their basic Rights of Man. We cannot fail to see through Ron Paul's fake populism. But neither is this a matter of clearing the way for the right leader with the right ideas who will make the right changes. This hall of fame view of history denies ordinary people their role in movements and revolution. And Ron Paul is certainly no revolutionary, he is an old chimera that most people will not be tricked into believing. This does not say that we buy the bullshit that the other prospectives are spouting either. Only a mass movement will truly wipe away the muck of official society and the ideas which pervades times of low political activity among workers. WG, your intentions are pure, unfortunately, Ron Paul's, Barack Obama's, and the rest of the prospective's intentions are not. And if they are, intentions are not enough to change the world. Such change has to be at the behest of folks like you and I who act in concert with the working class as a totality.
32. Dec 30, 2007 05:41pm by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
    OK.. Krisna, I'm not blind to capitalism. And I certainly don't deny that with urban culture, there is no idealistic friend in politics. All I'm saying is, I'm against anyone with a voting record that's against minorities. That's all. It's pretty obvious to me the intentions of someone that votes AGAINST hate crimes legislation. What both you and well, not so much WG, but what you say is rather poignant.. that doesn't change the fact that there are measures taking by a particular party, and not so much the other, to denounce minority worth in this country. And that to me is what hip hop speaks against.
33. Dec 30, 2007 07:12pm by Krisna - "We live in an intensely political age and theory and historical experience show us that the condition of any artistic development is an uncompromising hostility to the values of Stalinism and to those of American bourgeois society." -CLR James
    Skeme, Your point is duly noted. It isn't necessarily that you are a supporter of the Democrats, but that you see Ron Paul for what he is. Nuff said. Peace,
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35. Dec 30, 2007 11:40pm by Whatsgood
    Skeme you couldn't be more wrong. You ever think maybe Ron Paul sees all people as Americans and not black or white? The constitution protects all AMERICANS. We can tax the hell out of people to fund minority schools and it'll never work. America alone has doubled it's department of education system and we still rank amongest the lowest in the world in education.
36. Dec 31, 2007 02:05am by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
    [quote:a422c6a325="Whatsgood"]Skeme you couldn't be more wrong. You ever think maybe Ron Paul sees all people as Americans and not black or white? The constitution protects all AMERICANS. We can tax the hell out of people to fund minority schools and it'll never work. America alone has doubled it's department of education system and we still rank amongest the lowest in the world in education.[/quote:a422c6a325] Ok gents. I'll end it with this. I'm not here to discuss who is right or wrong. Just as Krisna said, to point out the cloak and dagger.
37. Dec 31, 2007 02:30am by Krisna - "We live in an intensely political age and theory and historical experience show us that the condition of any artistic development is an uncompromising hostility to the values of Stalinism and to those of American bourgeois society." -CLR James
    It is always interesting to see the temporary euphoria that overtakes certain people every four years for that one individual who will change it all for us, only for those hopes to be shattered by the concrete reality of an immense capitalist bureaucracy. It is only in movement times were all of this talk is swept away into the proverbial dustbin of history. Imagine what the French aristocracy was saying weeks before the workers stormed the Bastille in 1789 and changed France forever. Imagine the plantocracy in San Domingo, when days before believing in the permanency of their rule, that suddenly looked upon the sickle of the slave that laid them to their fate.