Topic: hiphop
- Jun 21, 2007 03:31pm by beatbroker - -beatbroker
HHA/Symbol Heavy/IN crew Location: KCMO
good day to you all.
i just want to take a moment and inform you all as
to where we are at with sundays at the peanut...
midnight closings are not looking as though they are
going to change.
in order to qualify for a 3:00 license we have to be able to
provide a great deal more parking capacity and the city
will not allow us to claim the private lot next to it even though
it's legal to park there on weekends and evenings.
this makes very little sense to me as it is in a downtown
environment where parking is almost always an issue.
people often times have to walk a good distance to get
where they're headed in any city.
but alas, i have no say in this matter.
now, in light of the earlier closings they are now making MUCH less
money at the bar than they are accustomed to and this is resulting in
us (the dj's) experiencing a sizeable decrease in pay. (at least temporarily) i know this isn't your problem but ultimately we can't afford
to sustain the event (or even consider bringing through the touring acts
that we have been planninig on) with the pay reduction in effect.
the lack of liqour revenue at the nut is also forcing them to close the
upstairs. the upstairs is cashed out separetely and it is usually barely breaking even ever since midnight closings kicked in.
they can't afford to staff it and cover overhead costs unless we can solve this.
basically there are 3 possible solutions to this from my perspective.
a.) we can raise the cover charge to 4 or 5 (i don't want to do this, especially considering that we are now closing earlier. it just wouldn't be fair to you)
b.) people can start coming out earlier. as i've said several times before,
we start around 8:00PM. i know it's a little early, but if we could start filling the room at closer to 8:30 or 9:00 instead of 10:30 or 11:00
it would not only allow those in attendance to have a longer more fullfillng
night of debauchery, but it would also easily solve our $$ problems.
I WOULD LOVE IT SOME OF YOU WOULD START COMING EARLIER.
we normally play more chill soul and downtempo stuff earlier and at lower volumes. so please... come out and hang, eat, drink and be merry with us
a little earlier. it'll be like summer cook-outs every sunday.
and 8 isn't that early for a sunday is it?
c.) we could start having after-parties that run until 3 or 4 AM.
most likely at Buzzard Beach, as they've extended the offer.
in this situation we would have one system being set up there at around 11:30 and would be set up and running by midnight so people can jet
back to westport to finish off the night at everyonee's favorit shit-hole.
while i would like to start doing after-parties, i'm skeptical about whether
we can draw people to another spot after closing. especially in westport,
so if anyone has any ideas or thoughts on this topic i'd be eager to hear from you. alternative venue suggestions are also welcome.
anyway, as is said earlier, i know none of this is really your problem, but
lots of people have been asking me what's going on with HH&HW, and this is what it is.
if things don't change, it won't go away entirely, but it will be back to one floor, 2 dj's and very very rarely would there be guests.
i don't want it to end up that way.
please help us make this work. we can't do it alone!
thank you all.
- Jun 21, 2007 07:20pm by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
weigh in with your opinion people... this is very real and we need your input now.
- mb
- Jun 21, 2007 07:33pm by Talysman
First off that parking lot deal is stupid.
Second - I'd support the after party till 3 - but not on a Sunday, which is when hiphop and hot wings is. I don't drink - but I can bring people who do from now on.
Also - I'll try and be there early. I'm not the most avid visitor, but when I do go I am guilty of showing up at 10/10:30.
Lastly, since I don't go that much - the raise up to $5 wouldn't hit me hard. Plus I'd see that as supporting a premiere hiphop event in KC. I know you said it's not fair - but if you need that kind of support - I don't think a $3 price hike would damage anyone's livelihood. I think they'd understood if an announcement were made or sun'n - otherwise you got cats that are like "5 dollars!! They must think they doin' it big or sun'n!! I'm not comin' here anymore" - over 5 dollars?!?!?
So yeah, thanks for puttin' it out there.
- Jun 21, 2007 10:42pm by Lucidialect
HH&HW is dope.
And, while it sucks that it's maybe downsizing, is that entirely a bad thing? Special guests can be special and all, but really I just want to hear good hiphop spun and see some local cats get down every once in a while. Shit, sometimes the special guests will make me b-line for the door, but that's just me.
I think starting earlier is good. A big reason I don't come more is work on Monday mornings. The early close doesn't affect me too negatively. It's the opposite I guess. I wish more events started earlier.
You're right not to raise the cost to $5. It would backfire, I swear. I think the thing to do is make it the best that it can be as is, and promote earlier attendance, which will hopefully boost food sales and somehow balance out whatever losses. Really, though, local cats shouldn't be too picky about how much they get to appear. I'm not talking about the dj's. They're putting in hours. But for rappers that show up, some free beer and twenty to forty bucks should suffice. This isn't a "show", it's an underground night, perfect for trying out new material or rocking for local homies.
Westport as an after-party is a bad idea. But I don't really care at all for Westport. To me it's sort of anti-whatever the fuck HH&HW might stand for in my mind.
I don't know. These are my 2 cents I guess. In two weeks I'll be living a block away, so I'll be down more often.
- Jun 22, 2007 12:02am by nadia
Personally, I'm skeptical. An hour and a half of time has suddenly decreased their revenue that much? Really? Then how can they even stand to open their doors on, like, a Tuesday for their regular business?
How can HH&HW not be the downtown Peanut's bread and butter regardless of an hour and a half difference? I feel like I see people spending all kinds of money there every week.
But skepticism aside, I think the Peanut should continue to fuss with the city over getting a 3am license. Til then, I'm willing to show up earlier, because I would rather have a masectomy performed with rusty scissors than hang out at Buzzard Beeyatch.
Then again...Buzzard wants to host HH&HW? What kind of deals can they offer us?
- Jun 22, 2007 02:20am by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url]
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Ummmm... technically I thought KC's bar laws allowed all ages for bar & grill combos. Maybe all ages there then the grown folks move to the buzzard? Seems a lot more fair and lucrative at a light hour like midnight.
- Jun 22, 2007 02:27am by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url]
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[quote:abc3f2972f="nadia"]Personally, I'm skeptical. An hour and a half of time has suddenly decreased their revenue that much? Really? Then how can they even stand to open their doors on, like, a Tuesday for their regular business?[/quote:abc3f2972f]
What? I know you are but what am I?
Suddenly someone knows all about the Peanuts revenue... It's a miracle!
Can you tell me who to bet on for the super bowl? (yank-yank)
I honestly can't believe you'd question a venue with arms as open as theirs have been...
- Jun 22, 2007 02:49am by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url]
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I know, I know... I'm no there so I don't know shit about KC right? Sorry for the 3 consistent replies. This night is a KC staple. It needs to remain weather it's passed onto someone else and the pioneers go elsewhere or not. Don't just forfeit the night due to a time restraint. The worse thing that could happen is for it to remain a place for hiphop in a city that doesn't have that much exposure to real hiphop.
Here's my personal thoughts... Instead of investing in a home for hiphop why not take it to the next level and make the newly developed KC a home for hiphop? As of now I guarantee the developers in downtown aren't trying to fuck with hiphop concerning the way the crime rate is. Why not invest in a Businessman, a figurehead to translate your dope thoughts of oneness into a business plan that can be understood and excepted by these developers? Someone who can approach them with confidence and understanding of what they are trying to create and what we're (I will be back) trying to preserve. Just a realistic thought.
- Jun 22, 2007 03:23am by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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its a great idea JD. kc hiphop still needs a place to spread (HOME) out in tho
got any suggestions for who we might approach to articulate our positions and business plan? and yes I know your butt is coming back someday.
oh yeah, pretty much what Lucid said with an addendum. All ages at $5 21er's at 2.
find an after party place anywhere but westport please.
but hey if you must go there get paid to bring them money
unbelievable what hiphop goes through in kc
nrg
- Jun 22, 2007 05:07am by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url]
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Well, what do you do when hiring anyone? Interview them. This may sound like an abstract idea but if you're going to employ someone interview them like any business would. Not just people in the hiphop scene. You could post a "want ad" at local colleges in business and marketing classrooms, etc. College kids always need an extra income and are attaining the knowledge that these developers speak.
- Jun 22, 2007 03:26pm by sikestyle - -Stuff and Things...Things and Stuff...
www.sikestyle.com Location: Kansas City
i say people should come earlier..
close at midnight...
that's cool with me..
i gotta be at work monday morning..
i don't buy it that they are "loosing" money on the sundays upstairs..
but oh well...who's really to say.
i'd like to see HH&HW stay strong even if it goes back to just the downstairs and is way more chill
- Jun 22, 2007 04:11pm by beatbroker - -beatbroker
HHA/Symbol Heavy/IN crew Location: KCMO
[quote:b6c33805c9="JDFlow"] Don't just forfeit the night due to a time restraint. The worse thing that could happen is for it to remain a place for hiphop in a city that doesn't have that much exposure to real hiphop. [/quote:b6c33805c9]
JD,
like i said in my earlier post,
it will not go away entirely.
and no one is going to forfeit a thing.
we're going to work through it one way or another.
it's not going to die on my watch.
nadia,
we would never take the whole night to buzzard.
i can promise you that much.
it would be strictly post peanut hours.
i can honestly say i've had some great times there on the late late
tip. i don't really want to do this but i'd like to extend our hours somehow.
the upstairs at korruption is another alternative.
any other late-night spots appeal to you?
Believe it or not, on average, 70% of liquor revenue on sundays
was pouring in between 12:00 and last call.
Now, with midnight closings, percentage wise it is still about the same deal between 11:00 and 12:00 but the overall volume is down radically. essentially there are less people present for a shorter duration of time.
the peanut is not losing it's shirt by any means, but i can see why they may not be able to be quite as generous with us under these circumstances.
I also thank you for touching on it being "downtown's bread & butter."
While i think that may be a mild overstatement, i do think the city recognizes that it's a successful night, and may be the very reason they are giving us such a hard time over closing earlier.
aside from the city's undying bias against all things urban,
i have good reason to believe that city planners and developers are
intentionally trying to stifle activity in the downtown and westport areas in
an effort to draw businesses and patrons to the fledgling "entertainment district"
i am going to shoot for the all-ages approach (or at least 18+)
and charge more for the youngin's since they won't be drinking.
we shall see where this goes. thanks to lucid and necia for pushing me that direction. it's the most sensible possibility by far.
i intend to be very open and forthcoming with all new info and developments as we proceed, and i welcome any and all feedback and
suggestions.
thank you all very much.
i love you almost as much as i hate briefs.
- Jun 22, 2007 07:21pm by nadia
Thank you for keeping us all in the loop, BB.
I think Korruption is a perfect after-Peanut spot, actually. The main reason I poo-poo'ed Buzzard Beach (besides my personal feelings on the place) was that i don't like the idea of a bunch of us driving across town all tipsy down heavily-policed roads to meet up again. But Korruption is a straight shot down 12th to the Bottoms, which seems easy-breezy.
JD, come on, tell me some more about Seattle or Portland or wherever it is you are.
Superbowl? Bet on the Donks!
- Jun 22, 2007 08:51pm by Lucidialect
Korruption's upstairs is a dope little spot. I'm wondering how long that thing's going to keep going, but for now, why not?
And the revenue thing makes sense. Getting drinks at the bar always got most difficult between 12 and 1:30. People's wallets definitely loosen up after a few drinks, and the night seems to always be just kickin off about midnight. Oh well.
Thanks for keeping this going, Beat Broker. Let us know what happens.
- Jun 23, 2007 01:33am by DEMENCHA
what about moving hh&hw to the brick.
I've brought this up a couple times before.
They have a stage. The performers wouldn't be rapping to a sitting audience.
- Jun 23, 2007 08:10am by phism
[quote:51d77c43dd="Lucidialect"]HH&HW is dope.
And, while it sucks that it's maybe downsizing, is that entirely a bad thing? Special guests can be special and all, but really I just want to hear good hiphop spun and see some local cats get down every once in a while. Shit, sometimes the special guests will make me b-line for the door, but that's just me.
I think starting earlier is good. A big reason I don't come more is work on Monday mornings. The early close doesn't affect me too negatively. It's the opposite I guess. I wish more events started earlier.
You're right not to raise the cost to $5. It would backfire, I swear. I think the thing to do is make it the best that it can be as is, and promote earlier attendance, which will hopefully boost food sales and somehow balance out whatever losses. Really, though, local cats shouldn't be too picky about how much they get to appear. I'm not talking about the dj's. They're putting in hours. But for rappers that show up, some free beer and twenty to forty bucks should suffice. This isn't a "show", it's an underground night, perfect for trying out new material or rocking for local homies.
Westport as an after-party is a bad idea. But I don't really care at all for Westport. To me it's sort of anti-whatever the fuck HH&HW might stand for in my mind.
I don't know. These are my 2 cents I guess. In two weeks I'll be living a block away, so I'll be down more often.[/quote:51d77c43dd]
i agree with pretty much all of that.
- Jun 23, 2007 03:47pm by beatbroker - -beatbroker
HHA/Symbol Heavy/IN crew Location: KCMO
demencha,
i've definitely thought about the brick.
i like the spot alot. i don't think we'll be moving the event
there though as it really is more of a performance venue
and i don't want people to feel detached from the dj's and
performers.
i would really like to get another regular night popping off
down there though.
i'll explore that a little more this week.
thank you mang.
- Jun 24, 2007 01:39am by DEMENCHA
Maybe what keeps people coming back to hh&hw is the laid back atmosphere, with all the tables and chairs and everything.
As a side note, what makes buzzard beach any less creepy than korruption?
- Jun 24, 2007 01:42am by phism
^probably that it's been around longer and everyone is accustomed to it.
i'm probably going to go to hh&hw tomorrow after the wizards game.
p.s. go to the wizards game. 4pm tomorrow. taking on the MLS champs, the Houston Dynamo.
- Jun 24, 2007 03:23pm by trystyl - www.myspace.com/trystyl Location: KCMO
aw geez I fucking hate buzzard, my absence from that dirty facility is also compounded by the fact that a regular patron of the establishment wants to murder me though.
no disrespect to anyone.. however I have only attended hh&hw 3 times, and I got my fill, maybe somthing new should be set up. change is good.
Peace to midtown jesus
- Jun 24, 2007 09:49pm by Whatsgood
I went to Buzzard Beach for the first time the other night yanno the basement down there has the same feeling as the old rap city with Big Tigger. The upstairs kinda sucks though.
- Jun 25, 2007 07:14pm by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url]
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[quote:2633621f02="nadia"]Thank you for keeping us all in the loop, BB.
I think Korruption is a perfect after-Peanut spot, actually. The main reason I poo-poo'ed Buzzard Beach (besides my personal feelings on the place) was that i don't like the idea of a bunch of us driving across town all tipsy down heavily-policed roads to meet up again. But Korruption is a straight shot down 12th to the Bottoms, which seems easy-breezy.
JD, come on, tell me some more about Seattle or Portland or wherever it is you are.
Superbowl? Bet on the Donks![/quote:2633621f02]
Yeah, I'm a smartASS! LOL... I just remember the same judgements being passed when they did away with the all ages shows on mondays. Folks get mad, but they were incredibly lenient to even allow it in the first place.
- Jun 28, 2007 03:27pm by beatbroker - -beatbroker
HHA/Symbol Heavy/IN crew Location: KCMO
okay, so here it is...
starting next week (Sunday, July 8th), we will be kicking off
hiphop karaoke at the peanut from 6:30-8:00 PM, just prior to HH&HW
starting.
i'll be posting up song lists of what we have available in karaoke
formats early next week so you all can start planning your performances.
i've gotten alot of positive responses from people about us doing this,
so please, if you want it to become a regular occurance, come out
early and support this move, it should be barrels of fun.
there are some of you that i absolutely can't wait to see rappin'
also beginning that same night, we will be switching up the admittance
policy to 18 and up.
those of you under 21 will be charged $5.00 at the door, and it will
remain $2.00 for everyone else.
enjoy.
- Jun 28, 2007 03:56pm by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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this is a great development maybe we can shift the tide to including all ages at more events. good looking out beatbroker
- Jun 29, 2007 04:13am by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url]
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[quote:716853cad5="beatbroker"]okay, so here it is...
starting next week (Sunday, July 8th), we will be kicking off
hiphop karaoke [/quote:716853cad5]
My main problem with hiphop karaoke is that the DJ never has the Fresh Prince theme song.
- Jun 29, 2007 04:38am by sixer
Man, probably with good reason. I don't want to hear that song six times a night!
It's a good idea though, should be fun.
- Jun 29, 2007 03:18pm by beatbroker - -beatbroker
HHA/Symbol Heavy/IN crew Location: KCMO
[quote:9fbc686518="JDFlow"]
[/quote:9fbc686518]
My main problem with hiphop karaoke is that the DJ never has the Fresh Prince theme song.[/quote]
you know i'm on my shit.
i'm holding a copy in my hand right now.
it's only right.
- Jun 30, 2007 04:52pm by 1Sh1Da - http://www.myspace.com/sangrealnation
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I like the idea that involves my young self getting into Hip Hop & Hot Wings! I'll pay 5 $ to see some local Hip Hop any day of the week.
- Jun 30, 2007 04:56pm by 1Sh1Da - http://www.myspace.com/sangrealnation
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[quote:ce8aa4bb20="beatbroker"]okay, so here it is...
starting next week (Sunday, July 8th), we will be kicking off
hiphop karaoke at the peanut from 6:30-8:00 PM, just prior to HH&HW
starting.
i'll be posting up song lists of what we have available in karaoke
formats early next week so you all can start planning your performances.
i've gotten alot of positive responses from people about us doing this,
so please, if you want it to become a regular occurance, come out
early and support this move, it should be barrels of fun.
there are some of you that i absolutely can't wait to see rappin'
also beginning that same night, we will be switching up the admittance
policy to 18 and up.
those of you under 21 will be charged $5.00 at the door, and it will
remain $2.00 for everyone else.
enjoy.[/quote:ce8aa4bb20]
YA-HA!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I'll be there!
- Jul 3, 2007 03:11pm by beatbroker - -beatbroker
HHA/Symbol Heavy/IN crew Location: KCMO
Sorry for the change of plans, but...
the karaoke and the 18+ will begin on 7.15.07 instead of
7.8.07 as initially scheduled.
sorry for the inconvenience.
.bb
- Jul 3, 2007 08:13pm by 1Sh1Da - http://www.myspace.com/sangrealnation
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[quote:5912dc7449="beatbroker"]Sorry for the change of plans, but...
the karaoke and the 18+ will begin on 7.15.07 instead of
7.8.07 as initially scheduled.
sorry for the inconvenience.
.bb[/quote:5912dc7449]
-_-'
I already made plans!!!
Oh well, see ya'll on the 15th!
