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[quote:7490603264]Jason Whitlock Does Imus: Good-bye to “Mr. Chitlinsâ€
April 12th, 2007
Jason “Mr. Chitlins†Whitlock. I was going to write something entirely different for you; something that dissected each paragraph of “Imus isn’t the real bad guy.†At first your piece really affected me. I was initially saddened by your blatant divisiveness and your apparent want to marginalize everyone your color.
But then I realized - The. Shock. Jock. Is. You.
You purposely put your ample self at the center of a maelstrom of your own invention. Brilliant for a negro so foolish as to give himself the nom d’etre, “Big Sexy.†Jason Whitlock, idiot savant, savior for attention-starved frat boys and the attention-challenged Wal-Mart crowd.
See, there’s no way you can thank Don Imus, attack Al “Pomade†Sharpton, Jesse “Mr. Irrelevant†Jackson - as if they were ever truly anything more than whores for the camera, the mic, and television klieg lights - and Rutgers women’s basketball head coach Vivian Stringer. There’s no way you can do that unless you’re hoping to push everyone away and put yourself at the center of the black universe with pap like this:
Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem…
You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.
But you’re just too much the fool to get away with being the journalism version of Imus who you, through your own stupidity excuse, rather than call Donny “Ghost Face†the racist he is. See, you’re so foolish you have no idea of Imus’ history of racist-isms through time. However, since you are a bit slow, let me help your morally bankrupt ass and fill you in on your boy Donny Ghost Face:
He referred to former Secretary of Defense William Cohen and his black wife as, “William Cohen, the Mandingo deal.†He called Patrick Ewing a “knuckle-dragging moron.†He called the New York Knicks team, “chest-thumping pimps.†He called New York Times writer Gwen Ifil “a cleaning lady.†And there’s the famous, “I hired Bernard McGuirk to tell nigger jokes†remark for which Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes busted Imus. Then again, McGuirk is Donny Ghost Face’s resident jigaboo; maybe Bernie Mcjig really was the perfect hire.
Is that who you’d like to ally yourself with, Mr. Chitlins? Maybe so, the way you went after the Rutgers women’s basketball team in your odious KC Star piece:
While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.
Mr. Chitlins, I’m extremely disappointed in your want to play The Divisive House Negro at the drop of your Man-Tan, Bojangling, plantation-straw hat.
But wait a minute, Mr. Chitlins. Aren’t you the five-shot in two hours Grey Goose-drinkin’ fella in Las Vegas who failed to cover the events of All-Star Weekend because you were too busy trying to look like you wuz Mista Big Sexy while choosing to watch buck-tooth-ass Jamie Foxx do his shuffle for the hoi polloi?
Yes, that would be you, Mr. Chitlins. You are the flatulent fella who spent All-Star Sunday face-planted in your bed with a hangover, yes? Isn’t that what you told your Kansas City audience? (Whitlock’s ASW column has been removed from the online version of the Kansas City Star)
However, maybe if you got your face out of the shot glass and your grease-laden fingers off the bacon slices every once in a while, you’d realize that after this incident with Rutgers, 2008 presidential hopeful John McCain hauled butt back to Imus’ side. Think about that, Mr. Chitlins. While corporate sponsors are running from Imus and MSNBC halted his simulcast, Senator McCain refuses not to continue to be a regular on the Don Imus talk radio show.
Let me put Imus’ importance to you in a way you might understand, Big Greezy. Don Imus is to Washington, D.C. Beltway insiders as a big Sunday morning plate of two cans of scrapple smothered in Uncle Ben’s hominy grits is to you.
Now that I got your attention Mr. Chitlins, let me hip your ig’nant self to something about Dave Chappelle. Here’s your comment about Chappelle:
It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.
Chitlins! Chappelle turned down the dollars precisely because he has no want to continue to perform comedy that can be construed as racially insensitive to black people.
Anyway, I digress. The point of all this is to let you know that your hole card’s been peeped, Big Greezy. See, you had your chance to make good when you dissed Mike Lupica for all the right reasons on The Sports Reporters. But instead of being bold and continuing on the path you began to blaze in that seminal Sunday morning moment, you chose the easy way out.
Instead of using your position as a well-known black sports reporter to bring down the heavens on the too often amoral, hypocrisy-ridden world of sports journalism, you chose to turn your back on and attack the very people who were awaiting you with open arms, Mr. Chitlins - us, black, people.
Instead you chose to run with the same type of crowd you thought you knew in Hoosier-land; the state with the most Ku Klux Klan members per capita of any in the United States. The crowd can come in cloaks of liberalism, the feather to the neocons’ hammer; they came for you. And when they tickled your flaccid behind you said it felt good and asked for more. See, it’s a real inconvenient truth that a generation ago liberal Al Gore’s daddy was a friend of the Knight Riders.
Now they got you where they want you because while you think you’re in position to marginalize the rest of us they have you hanging by puppeteer strings - and they’re jerking more than your chain, Mr. Chitlins.
If you don’t believe me, try to come off righteous one more time - in fact, just defend Barry Bonds like you did in Lupica’s face and see what happens. There won’t be a safety net to catch you. Next time everyone will have “philosophical differences†with you and you’ll be stuck out in the wind; one wrong move will leave you skewered like a pig on a spit.
See, Mr. Chitlins there’s room for you if you truly relate your feelings. There’s always room for the truth - just ask Scoop Jackson. But you’ve already proven that you speak out the side of your neck, so nobody will want you. Really, nobody wants you now, you just don’t know it.
To them, you’re just a well-fed blackface jockey with a lantern on their front lawn. To us, you’re pitiful; to us, you’re just a bad joke.
And that, Mr. Chitlins, is your inconvenient truth.[/quote:7490603264]
They're pulling your card Jason.
- Apr 16, 2007 04:13pm by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
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whoever wrote that dug all up in his ass!!
gonna have to go home & set the dvr @ lunch to hear what Mr Chitlins says to Harpo...
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There's more where that came from.
[quote:0bc4ce91c6]Jason,
For your own sake, please stop the facade. Everybody on this board has heard your radio shows, read your columns, and watched you on ESPN. Some love you, some hate you, and some love to hate you, but regardless of personal feelings everybody here reads your work. Do you think that anybody that has listened to your radio show or read your column actually believe that you are sincere about this? You had great timing with being the first black reporter to blast Jackson and Sharpton after the Imus ordeal, and now you are riding the waves to put yourself in front of one of the biggest national audiences on Oprah, the most influential person in America.
Maybe you were trying to find humor, but a lot of your statements, opinions, and shows have contained a lot of prejudice and sexist material. Just because you are wearing your church clothes and have a Sunday school attitude now, are we supposed to believe that you are any better than Sharpton or Jackson? You would be fine if this happened 20 years ago, but now that we are in the age of IT all of the skeletons in your closet are easily accessible, and will make you look like a hypocritical fool trying to make a buck off of race issues.
I know that you and your boys at the Star are frantically at work trying to get rid of all the evidence of your blatant hypocrasy, (your All-Star Sunday hangover story has already been removed from the Stars webpage, but you can't cover up all of your past. Here are just a few gems of yours from the past couple of years.
I never knew what a "half-a-nigga" was, or knew that it could be used as a derogatory comment until I heard it on your show. Sure you "ran the caller off", (who happened to be a good friend of yours), but you got a good laugh out of it and made it clear you ended the call just to CYA.
My white friends and I got a good chuckle as you reffered to the black women in Vegas as "Baby's mommas on income tax refund vacations"
http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/mayhem-main-event-at-nba-all-star/20070220103009990001
I especially like all of your KC Star articles talking about your favorite things, BBQ and strippers. As much as you talked and wrote about strippers, there has to be a lot more evidence out there "Strippers are as much a part of sports as cheerleaders are"
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/whitlock/030508.html
Another great example for black children everywhere in this article. Cursing and hungover from Crown. Sounds like 50 Cent.
"I'm not a big drinker, but it was a tradition for my team to lose and for me to drown my sorrows in Crown Royal and then stumble in and talk about it on the radio.
You are all of sudden against gangsta rap, but YOU added yourself as a friend to gangsta rappers 57th Rouge Dog Villians. Perhaps young black kids can go out to your friends space and listen to "Let's get F*cked Up", and they hit the Crown Royal.
Not only are you friends with gangsta's, you help gangsta rappers such as Tech N9ne negativley influence more people by promoting their studio. Drinkin... and smokin... and humpin... and lovin it.
"When Jason Whitlock, a sportswriter for the Kansas City Star and sometimes sports reporter on ESPN commissioned 5150 to produce all the music for his radio show the opportunity allowed 5150 to reach a larger more mainstream audience and aided in its being recognized as a legitimate fixture in the rap hip/hop production industry"[/quote:0bc4ce91c6]
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- Apr 16, 2007 05:31pm by mythik - www.myspace.com/mythillogical
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Whitlock's quoted in this article too. This is enough to put a significant damper on my otherwise decent Monday. Busters man! Busters.....
[b:1d41c11ce8]After Imus storm, rap at the fore[/b:1d41c11ce8]
• Critics of rap, hip-hop questioning genre's language
• Don Imus fired for racially, sexually insensitive comments
• Rutgers pastor: Must work on "larger problem"
• Mogul Russell Simmons: Should look at context of rap
NEW YORK (AP) -- Fighting in vain to keep his job, radio host Don Imus claimed that rappers routinely "defame and demean black women" and call them "worse names than I ever did."
That's an argument many people made as the Imus fallout intensified, culminating with his firing Thursday for labeling the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos." Now that Imus has been silenced (for the moment), some critics are moving down the radio dial to take on hip-hop, boosting the growing movement against harmful themes in rap.
"We all know where the real battleground is," wrote Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock. "We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show."
"We have to begin working on a response to the larger problem," said the Rev. DeForest B. Soaries Jr., who as pastor of the Rutgers coach helped mediate the Imus imbroglio. Soaries announced Friday that he is organizing a nationwide initiative to address the culture that "has produced language that has denigrated women."
The larger problem was alluded to by CBS President and Chief Executive Officer Leslie Moonves when he announced Imus' firing: "The effect language like this has on our young people, particularly young women of color trying to make their way in this society ... has weighed most heavily on our minds as we made our decision."
Pointing out that the rapper Mims uses "ho" and worse epithets in his chart-topping song "This Is Why I'm Hot," columnist Michelle Malkin asked: "What kind of relief do we get from this deadening, coarsening, dehumanizing barrage?"
The Rev. Al Sharpton, among the loudest critics calling for Imus' termination, indicated that entertainment is the next battleground. "We will not stop until we make it clear that no one should denigrate women," he said after Imus' firing. "We must deal with the fact that ho and the b-word are words that are wrong from anybody's lips.
"It would be wrong if we stopped here and acted like Imus was the only problem. There are others that need to get this same message."
Rappers' reality
It is a message that was spreading even before Imus' comments.
After "Seinfeld" actor Michael Richards was castigated for a racist on-stage rant, the New York City Council passed a symbolic resolution banning the n-word, and other cities around the country have passed similar measures.
Cultural critic, author and columnist Stanley Crouch, a longtime foe of rap music, suspected the Imus ordeal would galvanize young black women across the country. He said a key moment was when the Rutgers players appeared at a news conference this week -- poised, dignified and defying stereotypes seen in rap videos and "dumb" comedies.
"When the public got to see these women, what they were, it was kind of shocking," Crouch said. "It made accepting the denigration not quite as comfortable as it had been for far too long."
Some defenders of rap music and hip-hop culture, such as the pioneering mogul Russell Simmons, deny any connection between Imus and hip-hop. They describe rap lyrics as reflections of the violent, drug-plagued, hopeless environments that many rappers come from. Instead of criticizing rappers, defenders say, critics should improve their reality.
"Comparing Don Imus' language with hip-hop artists' poetic expression is misguided and inaccurate and feeds into a mindset that can be a catalyst for unwarranted, rampant censorship," Simmons said in a statement Friday.
The superstar rapper Snoop Dogg also denied any connection to Imus. "(Rappers) are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports," he told MTV.com. "We're talking about hos that's in the 'hood that ain't doing ---- that's trying to get a n---- for his money."
Long-standing criticism
Criticism of rap is nothing new -- it began soon after the music emerged from New York City's underclass more than 30 years ago.
In 1993, the rapper-turned-actor Queen Latifah challenged rap's misogyny in her hit song "U.N.I.T.Y." That same year, C. Delores Tucker, who was chairwoman of the National Political Congress of Black Women Inc., led an organized movement -- which included Congressional hearings -- condemning sexist and violent rap.
That same year, the Rev. Calvin Butts of the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem drove a steamroller over a pile of tapes and CDs.
In 2004, students at Spelman College, a black women's college in Atlanta, became upset over rapper Nelly's video for his song "Tip Drill," in which he cavorts with strippers and swipes a credit card between one woman's buttocks. The rapper wanted to hold a campus bone marrow drive for his ailing sister, but students demanded he first participate in a discussion about the video's troubling images. Nelly declined.
In 2005, Essence magazine launched its "Take Back the Music" campaign. Writers such as Joan Morgan and Kierna Mayo and filmmaker Byron Hurt also have tackled the issue recently.
T. Denean Sharpley-Whiting, author of "Pimps Up, Ho's Down: Hip Hop's Hold on Young Black Women" and a professor at Vanderbilt University, said many black women resist rap music and hip-hop culture, but their efforts are largely ignored by mainstream media. As an example, the professor pointed to "Rap Sessions," the 10-city tour in which she's participating. She said the tour and its central question -- does hip-hop hate women? -- have gotten very little mainstream media coverage.
"It's only when we interface with a powerful white media personality like Imus that the issue is raised and the question turns to 'Why aren't you as vociferous in your critique of hip-hop?' We have been! You've been listening to the music but you haven't been listening to the protests from us."
Crouch said that change in rap music and entertainment likely won't come fast, because corporations are still profiting from the business -- but it's coming.
"I've been on (rappers) for 20 years," Crouch said. "I was in the civil rights movement. I know it takes a long time when you're standing up against extraordinary money and great power. But we're beginning to see a shift."
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Ah, but the truth is now being told.
And folk are gonna have to come out of that darkness they've been relaxed in for so long...
- Apr 16, 2007 06:49pm by Whatsgood
I dunno he's exposing Sharpton for what he is and thats a racial arsonist but at the same time now he's being exposed for what he is which isn't better than Sharpton.
BTW I was look on THIS SITE somewhere about that Chapman Recording Studio and it mentions something about a song for the 2007 Chiefs season with Rich The Factor & Tech9ne produced by JASON WHITLOCK and some other dude. Doesn't Rich talk about Hoes, Use the N word, and talk thuggish? Seems like Jason might not be the person to speak on this.
- Apr 16, 2007 07:34pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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I told you WG.
He's the last person qualified to hold Blacks to a higher standard.
Especially when he's so publicly failed on the very issues he's complaining about.
- Apr 16, 2007 08:30pm by mythik - www.myspace.com/mythillogical
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[quote:82f55a91b8="Reach."]Ah, but the truth is now being told.
And folk are gonna have to come out of that darkness they've been relaxed in for so long...[/quote:82f55a91b8]
what are you referring to?
- Apr 16, 2007 08:39pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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People who are locked in on Rap music and aren't looking at overall pop culture or American culture for that matter.
- Apr 16, 2007 09:10pm by StikFiga - "i could never be a thug, they dont dress this well"--Malice of the Clipse
ROUND OF APPLAUSE!
i hate Oprah because all this is the platform for booshe(sp?) blacks, to the poor cousins that stay off a MLK where there from.
and yea Whitlock is a unlce tom. and i dont even like that term.
does he need a pat on the head from massa that bad.
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I doubt I've ever used the term prior to Whitlock's last tirade.
I don't like it either, but it's fitting.
That dude's a clown.
- Apr 16, 2007 09:38pm by Whatsgood
I like Oprah she should be the leader for blacks. A smart intelligent lady who brings not just blacks together but ALL HUMANS.
- Apr 16, 2007 10:00pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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[quote:3a9f5c089a="Whatsgood"]I like Oprah she should be the leader for blacks. A smart intelligent lady who brings not just blacks together but ALL HUMANS.[/quote:3a9f5c089a]
THE Leader? Ha ha...
What are we a football team?
- Apr 16, 2007 10:04pm by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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[color=cyan:5e5f965c3a][size=24:5e5f965c3a][b:5e5f965c3a]if you can get channel KCWE today's show will be aired again at 9pm tonight. Tomorrow, oprah says the town hall mtg will continue, when the Hiphop community offers its rebuttle to some recent claims[/b:5e5f965c3a][/size:5e5f965c3a][/color:5e5f965c3a]
talking about it and BEing about it
- Apr 16, 2007 10:09pm by DJSKEME Location: Grandview, MO
[quote:2db00e9621="Whatsgood"]I like Oprah she should be the leader for blacks. A smart intelligent lady who brings not just blacks together but ALL HUMANS.[/quote:2db00e9621]
Wow. WG, this is none of my business, but are you by chance a woman?
Just curious.
- Apr 16, 2007 10:13pm by Whatsgood
Nah I'm a dude but I think maybe its time us men stop being so damn insecure and trust the ladies. Man has ruled the world since the begining of time we've done nothing but mess it up.
- Apr 16, 2007 10:14pm by Whatsgood
[quote:59b9cc13ed="Reach."][quote:59b9cc13ed="Whatsgood"]I like Oprah she should be the leader for blacks. A smart intelligent lady who brings not just blacks together but ALL HUMANS.[/quote:59b9cc13ed]
THE Leader? Ha ha...
What are we a football team?[/quote:59b9cc13ed]
Didn't mean it like that but shes definatly a positive role model that people can look up to no?
- Apr 16, 2007 10:54pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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She's alright I suppose.
I love it when she told the town's people "hell nah" in TCP.
- Apr 16, 2007 11:45pm by barnyard - Befriend me. ---> [url=http://www.myspace.com/farmfreshcuts]MYSPACE[/url]
[quote:ff9d5508fd]Didn't mean it like that but shes definatly a positive role model that people can look up to no?[/quote:ff9d5508fd]
gonna have to disagree with you my man. i guess i just don't trust anyone who makes more money than god. people can look up to oprah's television persona, for sure. but i have a feeling the REAL oprah wouldn't be such a good role model.
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[quote:597abdbb1b="barnyard"][quote:597abdbb1b]Didn't mean it like that but shes definatly a positive role model that people can look up to no?[/quote:597abdbb1b]
gonna have to disagree with you my man. i guess i just don't trust anyone who makes more money than god. people can look up to oprah's television persona, for sure. but i have a feeling the REAL oprah wouldn't be such a good role model.[/quote:597abdbb1b]
[size=24:597abdbb1b][color=yellow:597abdbb1b]We are the savoirs we keep seeking[/color:597abdbb1b][/size:597abdbb1b] dammit wake up
Be the leader of your own mission and vision. these issues stem from way more than hiphop culture, black people, classism, or women.
we need to ALL wake up to the reality that as a nation America is violent, woman demeaning, greed movitated nation. that is not just about any of the peoples I singled out above, it is in fact about ALL OF US in the United States.
I am looking forward to this issues longevity as a public matter. We the whole nation needs a reality check on how we value human life, how much is enough, and how we each can become the change we are all bitching about we wanna see.
when has one person ever been able to speak for a people?
answer NEVER? WE THE PEOPLE are too diverse for that to happen, so it must be that we individually will have to think before we speak, curve our sensitivity to criticism enough to not lash out against the messenger, respect ourself and others enough to be peaceful, care enough to discipline our darker behaviors, and we must display temperance and tolerance where we used to display hatred and intolerance.
- Apr 17, 2007 02:02am by daddio
well, that's a thought... all humans being together... instead of seeing who can write the most self-rightous words.
almost no one here can see the forest for the trees....
steve
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Today's Oprah show is being repeated on Channel 29.
TUNE IN NOW!!!
Tomorrow Common and Russell Simmons answer Whitlock's blasts...
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Sharpton's putting a clown suit on Whitlock.
He has to man up now...
No more potshotting him when he's not around to defend himself.
Sharpton and Jackson DON'T speak for all Black folk, but rappers do?
CLASSIC.
- Apr 17, 2007 02:58am by StikFiga - "i could never be a thug, they dont dress this well"--Malice of the Clipse
[quote:4d994d85df="Reach."]Sharpton and Jackson DON'T speak for all Black folk, but rappers do?
CLASSIC.[/quote:4d994d85df]
exactly.
everyone needs a scapegoat, rap is the easiest.
there is nothing new under the sun.
all the things wrong with the world have been here longer than any sub-genre of any music.
its intresting though, cause there always this rally needed against rap. Ozzy Osburne is biting the heads off birds, Elvis Costello called Ray Charles and ignorant blind nigger. Guns and Roses, Slayer all these bands....and Snoop Dogg needs to be hung at the gallow.
it unreasonable.
it took this to get me posting again. 🙁
- Apr 17, 2007 03:20am by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
i wish 50 would be invited on with Common. Common is not gonna get the point across. We need balance in that discussion. I'll watch it eitherway though. Glad she is at least addressing these things.
I liked when Oprah asked Sharpton why it is just NOw being covered.. and he said "I'd have to ask You..." Does she not see that she has not addressed it before this way? Like she was outraged that now it is getting attention...
Hello!! You are Oprah..
Why did YOU wait til Imus stirred this up? The same reason others didnt.
- Apr 17, 2007 03:56am by daddio
rap doesn't represent all blacks just like ozzy doesn't represent all whites...
money represents all of them, if you think this is all about bein' real, you're definitely smoking something interesting...
how about peoples stepping up to the plate to take care of each other instead of seeing how much smoke they can blow up each other's asses to prove they know it all???
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[quote:c95774fe7f="MILES"]i wish 50 would be invited on with Common. Common is not gonna get the point across. We need balance in that discussion.[/quote:c95774fe7f]
Now this is the truth. how are you going to bring common and russel to speak on hiphop's behalf and not bring the aspect of hiphop that is being dissed all the time. doesn't wash for me. WE need to send emails through oprah's site letting her know of this imbalance.
I'll watch it eitherway though. Glad she is at least addressing these things.
[quote:c95774fe7f] I liked when Oprah asked Sharpton why it is just NOw being covered.. and he said "I'd have to ask You..." Does she not see that she has not addressed it before this way? Like she was outraged that now it is getting attention...[/quote:c95774fe7f]
She knows and even if she doesn't all those smart women around her do. so we can conclude, that she has been waiting for just such an outrage of the PEOPLE before she took on these issues. She said as much today when she said I have wanted to address these issues for a while now, didn't want to do it alone.
Am I the only one who remembers the black community's reaction to bill cosby when he spoke out about being an elder of his community and having to speak on our digressions away from upliftment. my words.
Man caught holy hell from erbody and their mama about "airing our collective dirty laundry in mixed company"
Anita Hill's attemp at justice with clarence thomas was another example of "Black america" saying shut you mouth" keep the secrets of how some black men treat black women.
I could list so many examples of injustices black suffer at the hands of eachother, but that would address the MUCH LARGER issue of how WE AS HUMANS have digressed in our civility, tolerance, allowing , patience of each other.
if you fear repercussions believe me they are right in front of you in almost every aspect of daily life right now. make a mistake and it could be your life. say one thing someone doesn't like and YOU could be dead or maligned for it.
Why are we all so raw? Where is this intolerance and impatience coming from? why do we think, all uncomfortable feeling must end in literally or figurtively offing each other.
take a step back breathe a minute then see where you are
[quote:c95774fe7f]Hello!! You are Oprah..
Why did YOU wait til Imus stirred this up? The same reason others didnt.[/quote:c95774fe7f]
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PS I am not a hugh fan of Oprah don't get it twisted.
I am a huge fan of how she and many others of us use what we have at our disposal to bring attention to life things WE should ponder and reflect on. But she hasn't cornered the market on this kind of awareness = action method.
Anyone can use whatever opportunities, skills, talents and intelligence to further the human cause and humankind's development.
you don't have to be perfect the DO something you believe in
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- Apr 17, 2007 01:50pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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I think Common's better suited to getting that message across.
He'll give us a broader view of this issue...
I can't wait until 9pm tonight.
- Apr 17, 2007 02:57pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!"
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i think this whole Imus thing may bring a changing of the guard within the industry. This may put pressure on the majors to reconfigure their strategy as far as which acts they decide to put their $$ behind. Those that believe that rap holds a responsibility for this recent outbreak of public hatred are gonna be lookin for proof that it doesnt, which could send a signal to the labels that we need to show the other side of the coin because the current will no longer be acceptable nor profitable....
Got a feelin you may see a lil less Snoop & a lil more Common....we know how Harpo feels about that...
The industry is already feeling the effects of the internet age, which is giving the public easy access to a variety of choices within rap, transferring the power the labels hold to the common man. This Imus situation is the last straw. Half the public is blaming the rappers, but the other half is blaming the industry that produces them. This may effect and influence those coprporations that use these rappers for advertising to pull the dollar out from underneath them, making the rapper useless & forcing the labels to retreat to the hills to reacess their approach...
(dont believe it? remember why Imus REALLY got fired)
Will see how much things change from here, but one things for certain...u WILL see a change.....
be ready KC, got a feelin we on deck....
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Couple that with sales down 20% and I think you might be right.
Question is... How soon?
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[quote:380df4bd2a="Reach."]Couple that with sales down 20% and I think you might be right.
Question is... How soon?[/quote:380df4bd2a]
Our audience is ready...the question is are we?
- Apr 17, 2007 05:00pm by DjShad
I heard whitlock gets it handed to him by the Benjamin Muhammad on tonights episode. I feel people should call whitlock out on the issue i mean the evidence is there. check the website kc start aint covering the other side of whitlock, he might blast rap but he's laffy taffing with everyone else and haning with "gangsta rappers". check out some of the people on that websites resume, not all are "positive" rappers. People might blame rap but this is leading up to the big "rap crash" that is going to happen. If you look at the charts last year the biggest seller was High School Musical. Major corporations saw rap as a eazy hustle and it has became a machine like disco,hair metal,brit pop of the 60's. Oprah's scared of alot of the truth comming out because the artists have asked to be on the show, some have refused because they feel its disrespectful being called on the show now and when they were selling and doping positive things they were not covered. Some were upset the way ludacris interview was cut during the promo for the movie crash. whitlock is messing with some of the wrong people i know i wouldnt try to confront benjamin muhammad or jessie i mean real talk jessie is involved in the streets still.
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Whitlock doesn't have a good support system.
He needs some older wiser gents to pull him my his collar and quiet him down. His professional career is marked with glaring contradictions and rather questionable behavior. He's the black sheep of sports journalism at this point and isn't earning himself any new fans.
He's an opportunist and he thinks this is his ticket.
Sharpton handed it to him last night.
His views aren't very well thought out.
This whole bit about how Black activists haven't gone after misogynistic Rap acts in the past is so inaccurate.
Sharpton did a rally against G-Unit one week prior to the Imus incident.
- Apr 17, 2007 08:24pm by DjShad
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check the names and check the classic material
lou... snoop is still gonna be around in a mjor way, he is too much of a profit to put him in the back. The way labels have been marketing commercial rap is kinda like how donald bogle stated in the book toms, coons, mullatos, mammies and bucks. I was in a discussion this past weekend out of town about how they refer to "2 step" by dj unk as a new minstrel show song. I've seen lately pressur from senators to address rap labels such as sony, bmg and universal, but rap is an easy profit, sign a group who doesnt know nothing, give them money make them owe it back if it doesnt sell, it becomes a tax write-off. In the past few yers they are not classic lp's in the mainstream. George Daniels from Georges music room said it best, they want people to buy the full cd, but it takes 2-4 months for it to come out and by then everyone has downloaded it, the art of 45's and cd singles have stopped and been replaced by the mp3. The urban consumer usually doesn't buy cd's from the store, its mom and pops or the bootleg man and that has been cutting into numbers, you have kids from the suburbs who have access to the internet downloading everything so thats why alot of the sales have went down. People still think the million dollar deal is out there, thats over it is take 10,000 and call it a day.
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I think it's more than just piracy.
I think people are just tired of what's being paraded around.
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the public & political outcry for change is becoming way to loud for the industry to ignore & the Imus situation was only another dash of salt in an agravating, open wound....
I think a new wave is about to begin....
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Yep... The other side will have their chance to rebutt.
Can't wait to see Jason drop out of the conversation entirely like he did last night. He had no business on that panel.
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So I watched the second half of Oprah. It was okay. After I watch shows like that, Why do I always feel like....... " Well that was fun while it lasted." or " how come they did'nt ask this question?" I guess Oprah feels like this issue isnt important enough to maybe have a commercial free show. and pay the costs herself. I mean this is important you'd think. oh well thats done time for something new.
Guess where the focus has shifted. No disrespect, but a new and much different shiny light, has caught the medias short attention spans.
I flipped through the channel to see, who do ya think but Snoop. He ws 106 and Park. (today was the longest Ive ever watched that show!.....No Joke!)
He was saying how Russel Simmons aint a player in the game and how Russel is an owner. He dont know the game. How they need to be talking to the Snoops and the 50c's cause they are living it. He said he respects women but hes talking about women inthe hood who are "chasing paper in an ill manner".
He said that he wished that the media would also talk about the good things that he has done for his community. Like his inner-city football league, and speak about the good as weel as the bad.
However he still did not convince me that it is okay to say the things he does. And I know what he means, when he says it. I know the difference. He completely fail to see the impact an influence that he has on young people. He said "if you dont like it, dont listen."
but......
Just the other day I seen a lady in the car with her kids.
She was singing the Whisper song....uncut.
Her three kids in the back were repeating all the lyrics. Now how the hell am supposed to do something about that?
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Snoop can't reconcile the degradation of women with a youth football team in his local community. That's just silly.
And ultimately, we have to get to a point where we stop objectifying women period. Be they gold-diggers or student athletes.
We absolutely have a responsibility in all of this as well.
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[quote:2a39804bbd="Reach."]Snoop can't reconcile the degradation of women with a youth football team in his local community. That's just silly.
And ultimately, we have to get to a point where we stop objectifying women period. Be they gold-diggers or student athletes.
We absolutely have a responsibility in all of this as well.[/quote:2a39804bbd]
Which is exactly why after watching this last episode of Harpo that I feel yesterday & todays shows were a complete WASTE of time. There was nuthin but fingerpointing & senseless ranting. We 've already established that there is a problem & what the problem is, there would be no reason for ya'll to be there if ya hadn't, now each one assume responsiblity for your role & establish grounds for change! The name of the show was What now, & they did nuthing but glorify the problem instead of coming up with possible solutions. What Common said @ the end of the show today, should have been stated @ the beggining of the show yesterday & that is plain & simply, we are all apart of the problem & we are all apart of the solution. Perhaps that being said up front could have piloted towards a more productive session.
There are no innocent...ranting about the problem makes you just as much of the problem as the person who is initiating it.....100 pennies make change to see a whole dolla....(sorry, that was Captain Morgan's comment,not mine, but he said u can use it @ work 2morrow if u want tho 🙂
The only winner here is Oprah...
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first, I'm sorry you feel these shows were a waste. I was completely encouraged that these conversations occurred at all.
Second, I very much appreciate Ben Chavez's calmness, clarity, and fair assessment of the enormity of these issues and the fact that we can not over simplify it or rush to point fingers at hiphop, whites, blacks, or america. This is an everybody issue and until we are willing to allow for the mistakes by each other, there can be NO HONEST DIALOGUE.
third, this reminds me of a HBO documentary I once saw, where the african national congress supported and encouraged tribunals throughout africa to allow those who had wrong and been wronged to face each other for the purpose of contriction and forgiveness in which case if those who had wronged could be accountable for their action on a personal level, they would be granted amnesty. I wanted to record it because it was humbling to watch those wronged find it in their heart to not only forgive but find something of a brotherly love in their hearts for the transgressors.
finally, if there is to be any hope of honest dialogue, we will almost start anew, open to hearing people out whether we agree with them or not, we will have to admit our own biases, hatred, anger, and be willing to put those companions in a safe box, while we attempt to find a middleground.
Hiphop has failed in some ways, hell everyone has closed their hearts and ears to one another. NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNTIL WE CHANGE OUR WAYS.
Squaring off against something without completely understanding the thing leads to further misunderstand THATS ALL
TO YOU LOCAL HIPHOP LOVERS AND LIVERS I challenge you to open up, be willing to discuss, put aside your biases, want a change and be willing to personally participate in the change you want to see. it will not be easy, it will take more than an hour day month, or year and no one will let you justify things that should not be justified, The good news is your standing up and being willing will put you in the position to ask the same of all others who join in the dialogue.
NO ONE IN AMERICA IS WITHOUT BLAME FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW! So lets get to work creating what we want to see.
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I didn't watch Oprah...but I did happen to flip past 106 & Park...I watched long enough to hear Snoop's little bit.
I agree with Reach...Football does not have ANYTHING to do with disrespecting women. He failed to make a connection between the two.
I agree with his argument that the media only emphasizes one aspect of them. But I think the bigger problem is negative aspect that they are portraying. You might be doing some good in your community...but what does it matter if your promoting self-destructing behaviors through your music (The artist's biggest outlet for communication.)
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I was so utterly disappointed in the panel last night I almost couldn't stand to watch it. I don't think it was a complete waste, but I think little was accomplished. That panel was punchless.
They were almost completely unarmed in this discussion.
I stand corrected. They picked the wrong people for that panel.
I was even sort of disappointed in Ben Chavis.
My panel would've been:
Michael Eric Dyson, Kevin Powell, Dream Hampton and Chuck D.
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[quote:18f7a5029e="Reach."]I was so utterly disappointed in the panel last night I almost couldn't stand to watch it. I don't think it was a complete waste, but I think little was accomplished. That panel was punchless.
They were almost completely unarmed in this discussion.
I stand corrected. They picked the wrong people for that panel.
I was even sort of disappointed in Ben Chavis.
My panel would've been:
Michael Eric Dyson, Kevin Powell, Dream Hampton and Chuck D.[/quote:18f7a5029e]
yessssss!
[color=orange:18f7a5029e][size=24:18f7a5029e]would have "SHUT SH*T DOWN!"[/size:18f7a5029e][/color:18f7a5029e]
- Apr 18, 2007 02:22pm by Whatsgood
[quote:5dad31c201="Reach."]I was so utterly disappointed in the panel last night I almost couldn't stand to watch it. I don't think it was a complete waste, but I think little was accomplished. That panel was punchless.
They were almost completely unarmed in this discussion.
I stand corrected. They picked the wrong people for that panel.
I was even sort of disappointed in Ben Chavis.
My panel would've been:
Michael Eric Dyson, Kevin Powell, Dream Hampton and Chuck D.[/quote:5dad31c201]
That panel was pretty weak and if Chuck D was on it i'm sure he woulda agreed with what people were saying about hip-hop. I read an interview with him the other day that was done after the JMJ murder and he spoke out aginst rappers like Ja Rule & Jay-z making it sound like they don't care about the art of hip-hop but rather the money.
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[quote:68c9f38b12="Reach."]I was so utterly disappointed in the panel last night I almost couldn't stand to watch it. I don't think it was a complete waste, but I think little was accomplished. [/quote:68c9f38b12]
I saw this as an introduction to the larger issues facing america and hiphop being positioned as the mirror or reflector of these issues
What did you think could happen in 40 minutes of air time?
I think the path as been laid, and now it is for hiphop to keep the dialogue
relevant to a multigenerational society and NOT BE ITS US VS THEM
Who do you think they were talking to ?
they were not there to defend hiphop they were there to broaden the dialogue and call them out on targeting hiphop as the culprit in my opinion.
they were targeting Oprah's demograhic. tho it was rocky, some good stuff was done. most powerful was Russel because with out shouting or anger, he used indignation to point the finger back to america's dirty laundry several times,
second was the lawyer in the audience who finally brought in the music industry's blackmail of artists, radio, and artist integrity and what it takes to stand in that place.
third was ben chavis early in the program he set the tone by saying words like lynch mob black or white, hiphop is reflective of america,and he took it home when he we are coming to spellman to dialogue, you are welcome to visit us in ny
almost too spiritual/poetic in his speech, common, made another point " I'm staying with hiphop, i can't let yall divide me out from that but Most important statement focused on humanity was made by common at the end of the show THANK YOU COMMON
least favorite was the record exec he couldn't quite ground what he was saying into a solid statement for hiphop.
What words would you have used?
That panel was punchless. [b:68c9f38b12]Reach how would you have made it punch more, what words, [/b:68c9f38b12] and what is gained by the punch not for you or hiphop but for the audience?
[quote:68c9f38b12]They were almost completely unarmed in this discussion.[[/quote:68c9f38b12]
reach define what you thought the mission should have been, and how you would have fulfilled that mission
personally I think they did define the mission, they did a medium job of fulfilling it but they also added points by forcing oprah to show herself as
biased, and manipulative. very important she caught hereself but not before she was exposed.
[quote:68c9f38b12]I stand corrected. They picked the wrong people for that panel.[/quote:68c9f38b12] no they didn't but they like miles said yesterday it was imbalanced not a good enough cross section
[quote:68c9f38b12]I was even sort of disappointed in Ben Chavis. [/quote:68c9f38b12]
he did pretty good in setting the platform of dialogue, he took oprah on just enough to let her know she need to step back a tad and let people express themselves,
but russel won that hands down when he was saying his spill and oprah was so exasperated by it that she keep interrupting him. he just stopped and said I thought you wanted me to explain and she kept cutting him off oprah looked real heavy handed in her bias which she is but no one calls her on it
she turned her back to russel after that and never addressed him directly again toshay RUSSEL
[quote:68c9f38b12]My panel would've been:
Michael Eric Dyson, Kevin Powell, Dream Hampton and Chuck D.[/quote:68c9f38b12]
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[quote:1f5664f3de="Whatsgood"]
That panel was pretty weak and if Chuck D was on it i'm sure he woulda agreed with what people were saying about hip-hop.[/quote:1f5664f3de]
He would've held rappers accountable...and rightly so, but he also would've looked at the bigger picture.
And there would've been plenty of blame to go around.
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[quote:b682ac35c7="NRG"]
I saw this as an introduction to the larger issues facing america and hiphop being positioned as the mirror or reflector of these issues[/quote:b682ac35c7]
Unfortunately our illustrious panelists weren't as eloquent.
[quote:b682ac35c7]What did you think could happen in 40 minutes of air time?
I think the path as been laid, and now it is for hiphop to keep the dialogue
relevant to a multigenerational society and NOT BE ITS US VS THEM[/quote:b682ac35c7]
Certainly much more than what did transpire.
It took them 3 or 4 segments to even acknowledge the problem.
And Russell Simmons is almost as hard to listen to as KRS now...
Dude tapdances like Savion.
[quote:b682ac35c7]Who do you think they were talking to ?
they were not there to defend hiphop they were there to broaden the dialogue and call them out on targeting hiphop as the culprit in my opinion.[/quote:b682ac35c7]
And they did a horrible job at that.
[quote:b682ac35c7]second was the lawyer in the audience who finally brought in the music industry's blackmail of artists, radio, and artist integrity and what it takes to stand in that place.[/quote:b682ac35c7]
Londell McMillan had insightful commentary.
He articulated his points much better than the panelists.
[quote:b682ac35c7]What words would you have used?[/quote:b682ac35c7]
I would've chased Whitlock off the set...
And I would've spoken to this mythology that somehow Rap is an accurate representation of African-American culture. It's a rather bold and inaccurate statement to make.
I would've pointed out that Rap cannot exist in a vacuum...
The imagery seen within it can be found in our larger culture in various forms of media. And until we're able to improve the overall moral fabric of our nation we cannot ascribe the misogyny that's become an AMERICAN theme to any one medium.
[quote:b682ac35c7]Reach how would you have made it punch more, what words[/quote:b682ac35c7]
I honestly think it came down to a lack of preparation on the part of the panelists. I think they thought they could feel their way through this discussion.
Whitlock, while misguided, knew exactly what lines to tow long before he ever stepped foot on the set. Even he could've used more preparation because the moment Al Sharpton made it abundandtly clear that he had been a long-standing antagonist of negative imagery in Rap music... Whitlock got painfully quiet and all but bowed out of the opening night of this conversation.
[quote:b682ac35c7]What is gained by the punch not for you or hiphop but for the audience?[/quote:b682ac35c7]
I think ultimately any exchange of ideas with the kind of tension behind this one almost mandates preparation. You cannot expect an audience or any of Oprah's viewership to align themselves with what you have to say if you haven't thought it through.
Their entire defense centered around how misogynistic themes are prolific throughout our society. That's fine and well, but once they conceded that point they didn't know what else to say.
And they wasted time by ducking out of their stake in the problem.
3 or 4 segments at least.
[quote:b682ac35c7]reach define what you thought the mission should have been, and how you would have fulfilled that mission[/quote:b682ac35c7]
I can't pretend to know all the answers. I'm only human myself.
I just thought they could've articulated their thoughts a lot better than they did.
And I happen to think a different group of panelists would've done a better job.
Dyson, Powell, Hampton and Chuck D would've been my "dream team".
With MED running the point.
[quote:b682ac35c7]personally I think they did define the mission, they did a medium job of fulfilling it but they also added points by forcing oprah to show herself as biased, and manipulative.[/quote:b682ac35c7]
That's why it was important that they were sharp in their approach.
Because everyone knew Oprah wasn't going to be a non-partisan on this issue. You can wrestle with personalities, but not with well-articulated truths.
Dyson would've made Oprah into a card-carrying member of the Juice Crew by the end of the night had he taken the stage.
[quote:b682ac35c7]no they didn't but they like miles said yesterday it was imbalanced not a good enough cross section[/quote:b682ac35c7]
I respectfully disagree.
I didn't think this had anything to do with the brand of Rap artists hand-picked for the panel, but rather their ability to communicate their thoughts clearly.
I knew from the beginning certain acts wouldn't be welcome on her set.
They never had been... Why would that change?
Oprah did Oprah last night.
The door had never been open to Rap acts and I had no expectation that she would be either fair or unbiased in her approach.
You gotta come with your "A" game. And last night... They didn't.
Just my 2.
- Apr 19, 2007 12:11am by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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good points I will take them to heart and see what i think thanks Reach.
- Apr 19, 2007 10:12pm by StikFiga - "i could never be a thug, they dont dress this well"--Malice of the Clipse
America is a messed up place, and has been for a long time.
its by products shouldnt be on trial here.
rather the creators of this problem, and the conditions that produce them.
mainly capitalism.
i think im done with this. hahaha
cause its not balanced.
CDs come with Parental Advisory Sticker
TV's come with free parent controls
and internet with free parent controls
Rated R films that require a parent to come unless youre 17
anyone see a pattern? hahaha
- Apr 23, 2007 05:48pm by mythik - www.myspace.com/mythillogical
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Just saw this....
Lost On Jason Whitlock
By Jarrett Carter
Not Tavis, Not Reverends Al or Jesse, but a sports reporter out of Kansas City will lead Black folk to the promised land.
Or, at the very least, save us from rap music.
At face value, Jason Whitlock appears to be a very intelligent, thoughtful, and charismatic individual genuinely concerned with the Black American crisis. His platform for reaching the masses has not been through protest or pulpit, but through the sports pages. From playoffs to unwanted pregnancy, lewd touchdown celebrations to lewd rap lyrics, Whitlock had it pretty much covered.
But even 'Big Sexy' can get ugly.
For a while now, Whitlock has a had a running feud with Hip-Hop culture, particularly its music. He has referred to rappers as thugs, coons, and bojanglers on a regular basis, and has even gone far enough to refer to specific rap artists as "the Black KKK." Now he's set his sights on the Don Imus situation, and the heavy involvement of Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson.
In a recent interview on MSNBC, Whitlock referred to Sharpton and Jackson as "terrorists," and accused them of "starting fires and creating divisiveness" with their involvement in this incident, and in the Duke lacrosse scandal. Not an outrageous claim in the least bit, but from a man who was fired from ESPN after criticizing a fellow African-American broadcaster in Michael Irvin, and an African-American sportswriter in Scoop Jackson, well, you know what they say about kettles and that pesky color-complex they can have.
Whitlock has made a career on analyzing, dissecting and elaborating on points that go against the general consensus. Anyone can be a contrarian, but it takes a special talent to make a living off of it. Now its putting him at the national forefront as a leading voice on America's Racial Problem. While Jason Whitlock is a master at eliciting thought and emotion at the same time, what he has not mastered is giving considerable thought to his own arguments, particularly in regards to the hip-hop culture and the generations living in it.
Much of Whitlock's angst against Hip-Hop is that there is little to no responsibility in its misogynistic and violent lyrics. Bitches and hoes, gatts and blow, that all a young brother knows in the African-American community, according to Whitlock. Single moms, delinquent dads? Yep, that's hip-hop's fault. More Black men in jail than in college? Yeah, mixtapes have been known to have an adverse affect on decision making and SAT preparation.
But what about the deeper lying aspects of these problems? They don't call pimping and hoeing the world's oldest profession for nothing. Materialism and greed? Mostly American ideals that our folks just happened to pick up when we didn't have much else going for us between slavery and Ronald Reagan. Broken households, a lack of value on education and a reliance on crime? Institutionalized for much longer than it hasn't been. Surely no one can expect hundreds of years to be undone with less than 50 years of "equal rights."
Or maybe we're supposed to.
While Whitlock's perspective is easily understood, and can even draw a certain level of acceptance, it's completely unfounded, and he's smart enough to know that. In his position, with his level of experience, I'm sure he knows that he's vainly rallying against symptoms, and not actual problems. As a football aficionado, I'm quite certain he wouldn't look at a quarterback with a broken wrist throwing interceptions, and say he's unable to read coverages. So why is it so simple to assign blame of the crisis of our culture to one singular aspect? Oh, I know, because it comes on TV and makes millions of dollars.
Something I'm sure Whitlock wouldn't mind doing.
Could you really blame Whitlock if he found a path to getting some of that action, particularly if the folks mostly interested in his views are nervous, conservative White folks willing to pay him to keep it up? Interestingly enough, rappers and coons have probably made more money off shucking and jiving and have fed more folks through their buffooning then he ever will criticizing them.
Let's face it, Whitlock is capitalizing off this moment in the sun like no other. I'm not saying his views are totally wrong, I'm as conservative a brother as there is for someone who uses the term "n*gga," and listens to rap music. But I'm smart enough to know that in the blame game, nobody wins. I'm not making excuses for hip-hop and the problems that it has with denigrating women, worshiping material acquisition and celebrating violence. But if Italians don't have to worry about Tony Soprano representing them, and Jewish brothers and sisters don't have to worry about Larry David representing them, I'm not tripping off anyone who looks at me and hears "Straight Outta Compton" in their minds.
I respect Jason Whitlock's attempt at trying to help our people. He deserves attention because, in a distinct and peculiar way, he's just trying to help. Still, you wouldn't walk up to a screaming child and call it a Sambo for being so loud. The problems he is addressing as the ills of the Black community are symptomatic of a true American crisis, and his brash and undeveloped approach to discussing it makes him as big a terrorist as Rev. Al.
A big, media-sexy terrorist.
- Apr 23, 2007 06:10pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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Excellent piece.
- Apr 24, 2007 02:32am by Whatsgood
I should post the Video of Al Sharpton getting Owned by Sean Hannity.
- Apr 24, 2007 02:26pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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Hannity owned someone?
I don't believe it...
Was this that debate that they held on Fox News?
