Bulletin Board Archive

Topic: Hiphop and Women - Recent Imus

Apr 11, 2007 08:44pm by Talysman
[url]http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/columns-editorials/id.756/title.callin-out-names-don-imus-hip-hop-and-nappy-headed-hoes[/url] Yeah so this story that I linked to had a good lil' point that I hadn't even thought of on this issue. People got really upset about Imus and the whole "nappy headed hoes" thing -- [b:04c23a3a7a]But what about how women are treated in hiphop in general (i.e. hoes, skanks, sluts, skeezers, breezies, busdowns, bitches, etc...)?[/b:04c23a3a7a] Is that really any less antagonizing to the character of women as a whole? I don't know - just made me think is all. This is not a quesiton about Imus - it's a quesiton about hiphop. Share your thoughts once you skim through the article. Peace.
Apr 11, 2007 08:50pm by Whatsgood
As I've said before this part of time in hip-hop will be looked back as very self degrading with the way women are talked about, homophobia, and rappers using the N word.
Apr 11, 2007 10:33pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
[quote:8a114b351e]Whatsgood As I've said before this part of time in hip-hop will be looked back as very self degrading with the way women are talked about, homophobia, and rappers using the N word. [/quote:8a114b351e] [color=orange:8a114b351e]No It won't. i remeber Hip Hop when Beat Street came out. No you dont understand. I seen that movie when it was released kid. I remember Hip Hop when Vanilla Ice came out. You dont have positive memories about the things you despise, hate, or don't love. I love Hip Hop. I am Hip Hop. Hip Hop is the only thing I know that is real. Religion, my moms an evangelist, married to a guy that is a verbally abusive Veteran. my step father, the bastard, a two-faced fornicating minister. School taught me lies. My Government is way whack, Are you really proud to be an American? What are you proud of. Slavery, Poverty, Obesity, econmical warfare, racism, bigotry, misogyny(you know what i mean) and homophobic prejudices. Are we here again? Hip Hop is my culture, you diss it you dis me. There are some bad raps and rappers. There are some bad raps and rappers. There are some bad raps and rappers. There are some bad raps and rappers. There are some bad raps and rappers. There are some bad raps and rappers. Hip Hop is what I live. Rapping is something involved. not to sound cliche' but its fact! Everyone has even got that twisted. The media keeps saying, Hip Hop says Ho this Ho that. That aint all hip hop is. if you are on this forum. you should know that. If you dont why would I trust anything you say about brown music. Music influences people. But I can promise you less than 1/4 of the black community is bumpin that noise. less than 1/2 are consuming that music. I downloaded Dj skee's N*gger Noize I bumped it for a day or two. But now I move on. I might let it bump again, but it dont move me like Positive Hip Hop. Make your "own" choices...I got that Black Milk by the way...shit is so nice. If music is the cause of people acting ignorant, then Im seeking legal action against, Al Green.... for lets get it on, The Isley Brothers..for Pop That Thang, and PFunk for making my Father and Mom get down. In an ill manner, I refuse to think about, becoming friends, and decideing to be immature kids and "do it", causing me to be born. I blame the music. the thing that makes it surreal is that our people want to be able to accept Imus. The very first time I saw him like three years ago, I seen the hat and him @ like 7:00 in the morning. I was like who is this redneck. Thought no I will listen, I will give him a chance. I will see if this guy, wearing "this" hat, is going to be on the up and up. He let me down. He said some fucked up shit about Jews, then some shit about Arabs. I could tell he was saying it for a response. I had his card then. I knew it was all for shock value. But I wanted to give him a chance. and when I gave him my time, he abused it, he sucks. and when I wasnt giving him my time, he took it. then I found out that he has the same crowd as Rush Limbaugh, another person who said some crazy shit (remember Micheal J. Fox and making fun of his disease?) and still doin what he does on the radio. You want to talk about looking at it both ways, or even the playing ground. I said this was f*cked up when I first heard about it. MJ Fox, doest have anything to do with Hip Hop. If you say something wack. You need to be checked. period. He robbed a whole women's college basketball team, of their glory. they were supposed to celebrate this weekend. Instead they were healing wounds. The thing is. I get the sense from alot of so called [i:8a114b351e]"i'm down with your culture and I identify with you and want to be validated or forgiven if I say somethng out of line or borderline racist"[/i:8a114b351e]. I know you might be down. but if you are sincere it will show. t Kind of like,[i:8a114b351e]" I have black friends who allow me to call them my "nigga" but if someone else heard me I might catch a beat down and I am very scared about this happening to me, please let them know I aint like that"[/i:8a114b351e] mentality [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop[/url] again Real Hip Hop [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4g280s_sLk[/url][/color:8a114b351e] [size=24:8a114b351e]Congrats Girls!! since the rest of your God forsaken country has already forgotten, and failed to give due props!!! [/size:8a114b351e][color=cyan:8a114b351e][/color:8a114b351e]
Apr 11, 2007 10:40pm by Whatsgood
Not all hip-hop will be looked down upon but a good majority of it will be espceially the stuff thats came out in recent time its not creative at all and most of it is self degrading. As far as America I love this country it has its flaws but as does every other country guarntee you get away with alot more here than in most countries. Whys this country messed up at times? We choose to concentrate on what some shock jock says instead of trying to fix the real problems such as health care, education ect. The power is in the people and all I see is a nation filled with people bitching and offering very little soulutions.
Apr 11, 2007 10:46pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
What are you going to do about it? All I have seen you do is talk. No sites, no info, no music. what are you contributing? Why do you bitch if you dont make a change? You talk alot. But is that all you do? act. and again its all music. I remeber when they tried to get Marilyn Manson banned.....and hes a genius.
Apr 11, 2007 10:48pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!" www.myspace.com/louisrip www.myspace.com/bluezbrothaz www.myspace.com/soulservers www.myspace.com/ukuepto soulservers/bluezbrothaz/big me,bigger us/d-list wreckordz
There's a huge difference between Imus & rappers who use the term ho Most rappers, cant speak for all, are speaking aimlessly about any women who is around them with the intentions of getting close them to, 1. have sex. 2. get in their limelight. 3. get their money. I believe it is a pretty common thread in rap music to know that they are generally targeting females who are out with those types of intentions..... Not justifying what they do, simply stating common knowledge..... Imus specifically targeted his comments towards the black women on the Rutgers team. He made it very clear who he was speaking about. He wasnt speakin in terms of pimpin women or whatever groupies he may have,he made it perfectly clear who he was talkin bout. From what i can remember, I have yet to hear a rapper target their gender slandering towards black females on anybody's basketball team... or any type of association or affiliation they may have with any syndicated group for that matter again...im not supporting nor condoning the beliefs of the rappers that do this..simply stating common knowledge within rap music....
Apr 11, 2007 10:50pm by Whatsgood
[quote:416ebd4c1c="AceFadal"]What are you going to do about it? All I have seen you do is talk. No sites, no info, no music. what are you contributing? Why do you bitch if you dont make a change? You talk alot. But is that all you do? act.[/quote:416ebd4c1c] Haha how very little you know sir. I started out by voting yes thats right voting putting people in power who I think will make the best decisions. Secondly you gotta know how America works most of you dont.. America operates on a free market example: If people really have a problem with something they boycott it. Companies already pulling off adds from the IMUS show if people stopped listening he'd no longer have a fourm to preach his ignorance. Look how affective Bill O'Reilly was getting Ludacris pulled from Pepsi? A large number of people agreed Ludacris wasn't the best influence in return people boycotted Pepsi and he was yanked from any affilation with Pepsi.
Apr 11, 2007 10:52pm by Whatsgood
[quote:b18a6f326a="LouRip"]There's a huge difference between Imus & rappers who use the term ho Most rappers, cant speak for all, are speaking aimlessly about any women who is around them with the intentions of getting close them to, 1. have sex. 2. get in their limelight. 3. get their money. I believe it is a pretty common thread in rap music to know that they are generally targeting females who are out with those types of intentions..... Not justifying what they do, simply stating common knowledge..... Imus specifically targeted his comments towards the black women on the Rutgers team. He made it very clear who he was speaking about. He wasnt speakin in terms of pimpin women or whatever groupies he may have,he made it perfectly clear who he was talkin bout. From what i can remember, I have yet to hear rapper target their gender slandering towards black females in general..... again...im not supporting nor condoning the beliefs of the rappers that do this..simply stating common knowledge within rap music....[/quote:b18a6f326a] The IMUS show gets about 300 k listeners per day. A CD such as Ludacris sells about a million so both reach plenty of people. Wether we like it or not freedom of speech still exist in America even if its the most unpopular kind. Once you start censorship you got to do it on everything.
Apr 11, 2007 10:54pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
[quote:cbb19f3a17="LouRip"]There's a huge difference between Imus & rappers who use the term ho Most rappers, cant speak for all, are speaking aimlessly about any women who is around them with the intentions of getting close them to, 1. have sex. 2. get in their limelight. 3. get their money. I believe it is a pretty common thread in rap music to know that they are generally targeting females who are out with those types of intentions..... Not justifying what they do, simply stating common knowledge..... Imus specifically targeted his comments towards the black women on the Rutgers team. He made it very clear who he was speaking about. He wasnt speakin in terms of pimpin women or whatever groupies he may have,he made it perfectly clear who he was talkin bout. From what i can remember, I have yet to hear rapper target their gender slandering towards black females in general..... again...im not supporting nor condoning the beliefs of the rappers that do this..simply stating common knowledge within rap music....[/quote:cbb19f3a17] ^^^^Thank You! Whatsgood!.....what is good? do you have any thing positive to say about my culture? anything you like about Hip Hop or Rap? or you just bantering and bitching? because yousay a lot of negative shit about the thing that I love. no joke..... this attitude is why yall keep getting beat up at clubs. just kidding. and Luda dont affect the votes of our country. I know people who base thier vote on what old redneck says.
Apr 11, 2007 10:57pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!" www.myspace.com/louisrip www.myspace.com/bluezbrothaz www.myspace.com/soulservers www.myspace.com/ukuepto soulservers/bluezbrothaz/big me,bigger us/d-list wreckordz
There is a huge difference between,, Ludacris voicing his opinions about a specific type of female, on a cd, in which you have to purchase..... ...and someone voicing their opinion aimed @ a specific group of inviduals on a nationally broadcasted radio show, all it takes is you pressing power on your stereo.... configure that in with what i previously wrote & think you will find that they fall very slim in comparison....
Apr 11, 2007 11:00pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
We can't make Hip Hop a focal point of our scorn. Not as it relates to the objectification and commodification of women. That existed long before Rap music came along... It absolutely reinforces such misogyny... And shouldn't, but where do you draw the line when it's such a huge part of the culture at large. That's why your commentary rings hollow WG. I've yet to hear you pan Tinsel Town or television for similarly misogynistic contributions to pop culture. This is starting to sound like some rant on what you don't like about Hip Hop culture.
Apr 11, 2007 11:09pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
Thats what is so ironic. I feel like "Hip Hop" as a subject, is a common ground or topic that any white-male, white-female, uncle tom and black-female can engage in. Its a subject they can talk about and feel empowered by. but it somehow also becomes an anti-black culture, or anti-black man tool. maybe it is in the subconscious.
Apr 11, 2007 11:09pm by Whatsgood
[quote:14c448a33c="AceFadal"][quote:14c448a33c="LouRip"]There's a huge difference between Imus & rappers who use the term ho Most rappers, cant speak for all, are speaking aimlessly about any women who is around them with the intentions of getting close them to, 1. have sex. 2. get in their limelight. 3. get their money. I believe it is a pretty common thread in rap music to know that they are generally targeting females who are out with those types of intentions..... Not justifying what they do, simply stating common knowledge..... Imus specifically targeted his comments towards the black women on the Rutgers team. He made it very clear who he was speaking about. He wasnt speakin in terms of pimpin women or whatever groupies he may have,he made it perfectly clear who he was talkin bout. From what i can remember, I have yet to hear rapper target their gender slandering towards black females in general..... again...im not supporting nor condoning the beliefs of the rappers that do this..simply stating common knowledge within rap music....[/quote:14c448a33c] ^^^^Thank You! Whatsgood!.....what is good? do you have any thing positive to say about my culture? anything you like about Hip Hop or Rap? or you just bantering and bitching? because yousay a lot of negative shit about the thing that I love. no joke..... this attitude is why yall keep getting beat up at clubs. just kidding. and Luda dont affect the votes of our country. I know people who base thier vote on what old redneck says.[/quote:14c448a33c] Don't be silly I have plenty of good things to say about black folks. We're all equals here. MLK & Rosa Parks two of the greatest Americans ever stood up for what they believed in and actually did something about it. My local favorites Priest Holmes, Derrick Thomas, Alvin Brooks. Barrack Obama one of the smartest minds in politics these days and lastly how bout the single black mothers in this country? Seriously theres A TON of good about black people.
Apr 11, 2007 11:12pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
Did you say Black folks? we aint old we just people.
Apr 11, 2007 11:14pm by Whatsgood
Yup.
Apr 11, 2007 11:17pm by Whatsgood
[quote:7179c70851="Reach."]We can't make Hip Hop a focal point of our scorn. Not as it relates to the objectification and commodification of women. That existed long before Rap music came along... It absolutely reinforces such misogyny... And shouldn't, but where do you draw the line when it's such a huge part of the culture at large. That's why your commentary rings hollow WG. I've yet to hear you pan Tinsel Town or television for similarly misogynistic contributions to pop culture. This is starting to sound like some rant on what you don't like about Hip Hop culture.[/quote:7179c70851] Hip-hop has a voice and affects millions blacks,whites,hispaniscs,germans,japaneese, ect. Hip-Hop is everywhere ya think if artist took a stand aginst degrading women it wouldn't help make the world a better place? I'm sure it would. The pop culture is garbage I don't know anything about it don't follow it much I do however follow hip-hop I can tell you what I do and don't like about it.
Apr 11, 2007 11:29pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
do you seriously think that some Hip Hop is going to change the way the world treats women? you got more faith than I do. you have to undersand son. rap didn't give women the right to vote. rap didn't make it possible for women to be able to hold a management position in the corporate world. Rap did'nt write Mr. Mom. Hip Hop is not the reason you sit in class and fantisize about what you want to do to Mrs. Hale your algebra teacher. Hip Hop is not responsible for Girls Gone Wild. Those girls [u:6abaf4fa45]are[/u:6abaf4fa45] Hoes, they are stupid whore, not in a degrading sense. but in a, " I really, didnt think this out, and im stupid, I like to have be irresponsible and have no respect for my body." Woman or Man. Men can be whores too. I know few. they have lack of respect of self. and choose to play that part, that is what they want to be known as. if they dont know then????? they have taken the wrong route So to make a claim that Hip hOp can change these views....is rediculoid. Would you bump anti Hoish albums. Obviously not, you like G-unit, an MOBB. you perpetuate this ignorance.
Apr 12, 2007 12:14am by Whatsgood
Nah I don't like G-unit Mobb deeps older stuff good that new Prodigy song good. Yea i'm part of the problem but we all are. I disagree Hip-Hop can be the seed that changes the way women are treated of course itll take more than just hip-hop. I remember 2pac saying he think he planted a seed in someones head thatll change things I really do believe it.
Apr 12, 2007 01:58pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
[quote:987a12fb4b="Whatsgood"] Hip-hop has a voice and affects millions blacks,whites,hispaniscs,germans,japaneese, ect. Hip-Hop is everywhere ya think if artist took a stand aginst degrading women it wouldn't help make the world a better place? I'm sure it would. The pop culture is garbage I don't know anything about it don't follow it much I do however follow hip-hop I can tell you what I do and don't like about it.[/quote:987a12fb4b] I'm waiting for you to crusade against Hollywood. Which is easily as misogynistic, violent and hedonistic as Rap has ever been. And has been quite a bit longer...
Apr 12, 2007 02:04pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
[quote:f5233af083="Reach."][quote:f5233af083="Whatsgood"] Hip-hop has a voice and affects millions blacks,whites,hispaniscs,germans,japaneese, ect. Hip-Hop is everywhere ya think if artist took a stand aginst degrading women it wouldn't help make the world a better place? I'm sure it would. The pop culture is garbage I don't know anything about it don't follow it much I do however follow hip-hop I can tell you what I do and don't like about it.[/quote:f5233af083] I'm waiting for you to crusade against Hollywood. Which is easily as misogynistic, violent and hedonistic as Rap has ever been. And has been quite a bit longer...[/quote:f5233af083] It is the root and very fundamental reason for what is know as "Islamic Jihad". The roting of the "American Mind" after WWII. Caught up in cars, Hollywood, and Women. America was Booming. and boozing and beating their wives and children. no joke.....Peep the science Everyone should already know about this anyway!!!!!!! [url]http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares[/url]
Apr 12, 2007 02:18pm by Whatsgood
[quote:00f9bf6fcb="Reach."][quote:00f9bf6fcb="Whatsgood"] Hip-hop has a voice and affects millions blacks,whites,hispaniscs,germans,japaneese, ect. Hip-Hop is everywhere ya think if artist took a stand aginst degrading women it wouldn't help make the world a better place? I'm sure it would. The pop culture is garbage I don't know anything about it don't follow it much I do however follow hip-hop I can tell you what I do and don't like about it.[/quote:00f9bf6fcb] I'm waiting for you to crusade against Hollywood. Which is easily as misogynistic, violent and hedonistic as Rap has ever been. And has been quite a bit longer...[/quote:00f9bf6fcb] Well I'm certainly not sticking up for Hollywood am I? Some of the most misinformed people reside there. Not a suprise the media is already questioning hip-hop you go after a Shock Jock DJ theres always a cause and affact not suprised this is happening the begining of censorship is even closer.
Apr 12, 2007 02:23pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
Hip Hop will always be a convenient and easy target. But Hollywood is safe...
Apr 12, 2007 02:28pm by Whatsgood
Why has Hip Hop been an easy target though? Look deeper into it. The ignorant shit like the Biggie/2pac beef all the public saw was some guy running around yelling "thug life" next thing we know that guy is murdered gun down. Few months later his rival murdered gun down. How bout in Kansas City the "stop snitching movement". Now I've listened to hip-hop ever since I was in first grade I understand the culture but what do you think about the average hoe who doesn't? Certainly they are overwhlemed when they hear/see things listed above. Secondly Hollywood is a joke doing a crusade aginst them is a waist of time IMO my gosh they make movies trying to convince the public that the government attacked itself on 9-11. Whos the biggest critic of hollywood? Fox News is but guess what? They get attacked for being "too conservative".
Apr 12, 2007 04:39pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
[quote:a04c391519="Whatsgood"]Why has Hip Hop been an easy target though? Look deeper into it. The ignorant shit like the Biggie/2pac beef all the public saw was some guy running around yelling "thug life" next thing we know that guy is murdered gun down.[/quote:a04c391519] Apparently you were in hiding at that time. The media is as much to blame for trumping those incidences up as anyone else. Ask Kevin Powell. [quote:a04c391519]Secondly Hollywood is a joke doing a crusade aginst them is a waist of time IMO my gosh they make movies trying to convince the public that the government attacked itself on 9-11. Whos the biggest critic of hollywood? Fox News is but guess what? They get attacked for being "too conservative".[/quote:a04c391519] How convenient. Let Hollywood alone, but pick on the Rap genre... Okay. I would expect someone who truly understood the culture to see the bigger picture. I would expect that person to realize that misogyny is an American theme. And has and will continue to be perpetuated in MULTIPLE forms of music, television and in film.
Apr 12, 2007 04:45pm by nest - i drink to drown my sorrows but the dam things have learned to swim -frida kahlo Location: kcmo/PDX streets
Women allow themselves to be treated as they wish. If I wanted to be called a whore or a bitch all the time, then i would surround myself with people who felt it was ok to call me those words. As far as the content in "hiphop" If a woman wants to display actions that help create or feed into those lyrics.. then that's her business. i'll spin records with drogatory terms towards women, hell EazyE is one of my old time fav's.. I am somewhat cautious of how many times I want hear that women are bitches and hoes, but I love the beat. When women carry themselves with respect they get it. Now every now and then your tested by some asshole (like what's his name) who says a sexist or racist or dumb comment. I feel it is your reaction to this that proves you and builds you.
Apr 13, 2007 08:53am by cw Location: KC
The degredation and descrimination of females might be apparent in a good chunk of hip-hop, but a lot of this thread seems to point at it as if it were nearly an exclusive trade mark of the genre. This thought, if in fact is what is being portrayed, seems rather short sighted really... Yeah, sure...I've heard the bitches, hos, sweat drippin' down ballz lyrics. I don't agree with it. Makes me think the artist that wrote or verballized them has the emotional capacity of a thirteen year old. But I can't say that it seems like an issue of misogyny within hip-hop. It's pretty much a moral degredation of society in general. If you're focusing on the music industry, hell...You've got death metal bands parading girlies in catholic school girl outfits, showing them as nothing but groupie meat. You've got goth advertising chicks in chains begging for mercy. Even country music is pushing the tight jeans and asses in women a lot more now these days. It's all nothing more than a general level of materialism and superficiality that can't be held in accountability to any one factor, but more so the general population as a whole. I find it complete reverse arrogance to acredit hip-hop with the level of masogyny present in pop-culture society today. Further more, attempting to resolve 'masogyny within hip-hop' won't cure a damn thing. Just like any other cultural artistic expression, it's nothing more than a window into to a grand consensus of societal views. You'd have to reach that demographic and edify and educate them...then the portrayal of what they want to see would in turn change within hip-hop...and all other expulsions of reality. The resolution never lies within the visual representation of a state of morality, it lies within those the issue appeals to and is fed by. Kill as many wasps as you want, it won't keep you from getting stung. Until a hive is gone, they'll always come back.
Apr 13, 2007 09:00am by Rosygirl - "Nocturnally Blooming"
[quote:f513b96760="nest"]Women allow themselves to be treated as they wish. If I wanted to be called a whore or a bitch all the time, then i would surround myself with people who felt it was ok to call me those words. As far as the content in "hiphop" If a woman wants to display actions that help create or feed into those lyrics.. then that's her business. i'll spin records with drogatory terms towards women, hell EazyE is one of my old time fav's.. I am somewhat cautious of how many times I want hear that women are bitches and hoes, but I love the beat. When women carry themselves with respect they get it. Now every now and then your tested by some asshole (like what's his name) who says a sexist or racist or dumb comment. I feel it is your reaction to this that proves you and builds you.[/quote:f513b96760] "When women carry themselves with respect they get it." *throws up in mouth a bit*.... you can carry yourself with respect and still not get it... nothing changes till attitudes change.
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I wish more females would step up and share their thoughts. I know they are here and I would have loved to see their faces and response the first time the heard what "dude" said. Or what would have happened if he said that to their face. Its always nice to have a Hip Hop Sista, Diva, Queen, Princess or Mother in your corner. I got a little discouraged this morning, beacuse now that dude is gone. The focus has switched to who is and isn't allowed to say certain words (thats what that email was about). NPR was talking about how rappers say these "words" all of the time. Part of Hip Hop is the "baby" if you will, of the entertainment culture. It is like one of the last genres of music to be recognized. It is old to us who know it. But in the last 10 to 20 years,I watched it became Pop Hop. [color=orange:1842287aa0]I was never into DR. Dre, Snoop, Snow, Vanilla Ice. I didnt care about DMX when he came out. I never listen to what everybody else was listening to. I didnt feel it. I Loved Hammer. I Loved Poor Righteous Teachers, Brand Nubian, KRS-1, the X-Clan. But mostly alot of new underground stuff. I really got into some. Lords of the Underground, DAS EFX, and Helta Skelter, and the BCC. Then the Wu came out and changed my life. I also got in alot of trouble with my Youth Pastor, for bumping KRS-1. So many Public Enemy tapes taken from me. Till I dubbed it over my Christian Raps :wink[/color:1842287aa0]: My concern and point is that Hip Hop is starting to be talked about, like it is, in all together as a whole "BAD"! I just want to encourage you to write a that place where you feel like Hip Hop is being dissed. save it as a text file. send it as your concern. especially if its a some radio or television show you like. [color=brown:1842287aa0]And if FOX shows the picture of that lying ass ** in that DUKE, "shhhhhit....I put err thang on Love...Im telling you!" [/color:1842287aa0] Lying about rape is baaaaaaad. But they are exploiting this b.s. Who owns these record companies and radio stations and television channels? Who made the most...in the long run....off of tip drill?ceo? Peace AF
Apr 13, 2007 03:11pm by nest - i drink to drown my sorrows but the dam things have learned to swim -frida kahlo Location: kcmo/PDX streets
yeah rosygirl, that's my point. women, not the men start to carry themselves with respect they'll get it. there's not a whole lot to out wit here. yeah, some guy is bound to say something or worse do something that he think's i'll enjoy because some other girl giggled a bit when he did it to her. it's women who carry themselves with respect and shut down the dumb shit that some guy's think will get a girl.
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[quote:f80ce7e22a="nest"]Women allow themselves to be treated as they wish. If I wanted to be called a whore or a bitch all the time, then i would surround myself with people who felt it was ok to call me those words.[/quote:f80ce7e22a] For some it's not an option. Sorta like growing up in the hood and trying to find a good public school, or any resource besides a liquor store or payday loan for that matter.
Apr 13, 2007 03:24pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
Message to the people who have Hip Hop in their crosshairs: Scapegoating... That's so...yesterday. Problem is, rappers don't have corporate sponsors and aren't FCC-licensed to own radio airwaves on a daily basis. That and the fact that Rap is just a mirror for what is taking place in overall American culture. Oh, and I'd imagine the fact that most Black folk I know object to the misogynistic themes in Rap music as well. Stop pointing fingers... Imus was wrong. He got what he deserved. Move on. And it wasn't exclusive to his last radio rant. He lost his job because he has a history of spewing racial insensitivities on the air.
Apr 13, 2007 04:42pm by nest - i drink to drown my sorrows but the dam things have learned to swim -frida kahlo Location: kcmo/PDX streets
I understand the point of not being able to control others actions as well as not being able to control the outside environment. JD I hear your point..I can't completely feel you on it because I feel there are option's. It's applying yourself. Now sure at the age 6 your not going to be able to land a job and move out of the hood, but after sometime it is your choice to sink or swim. When I say women choose how they want to be treated it's because You choose the environment and you choose who to associateÂ with.