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Topic: Sample Clearing.... Help a brutha out...

1. Apr 9, 2007 10:11pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
   I was looking for a possible vendor (CD Baby) to sell this upcoming project I'm working on and well...I used a lot of samples for it, and they want me to own the sample and/or clear them....and it's a pain in the butt to clear samples and pay royalties and all this other crap. And I sampled from relatively unknown people from like the 60's and 70's. So I'm wondering... ....to people that have used CD Baby, preferably.... [size=24:fe599fbf03]Is all of that sample clearing and stuff worth it or should I just wing it and try to sell it anyway.... WHAT SHOULD I DO????[/size:fe599fbf03]
2. Apr 9, 2007 10:19pm by Atilla_Beatsmith - [email protected] www.myspace.com/manwithahammer Location: the Beatcave, U.S.A.
   trust me, you can't afford to clear them. You'd need at least a couple thousand just to get the mechanical license...you'd still have to pay or get permission by the owner of the song. Plus the majority of labels out won't give sample clearance unless you are signed to a major. They figure that you probably don't have enough money to pay em.
3. Apr 9, 2007 10:22pm by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb] WWW.HUMANCROPCIRCLES.NET WWW.MYSPACE.COM/HUMANCROPCIRCLES WWW.MYSPACE.COM/JKR70 Location: KcK
   I used 100 samples making Dreamtime, and I haven't had a problem. Granted, some are freaked as fuck, but man, a lot aren't too. You'll be fine,as long as your average joe wont recognize, Id be interested to see if anyone could name any samples off Dreamtime, and how many they could name.
4. Apr 9, 2007 10:24pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
   Say they did come across me with a sample of their music....do think they'd even care?
5. Apr 9, 2007 10:26pm by Atilla_Beatsmith - [email protected] www.myspace.com/manwithahammer Location: the Beatcave, U.S.A.
   ^yeah...I remember talkin with Anti crew when they dropped their mixtape...they sent it off to get burned, but since they used some mainstream beats, the company didn't do it. Not because they could recognize the samples used, they recognized the whole beat that they used...
6. Apr 9, 2007 10:32pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
   [quote:7de87c786e="JKR70"]....Id be interested to see if anyone could name any samples off Dreamtime, and how many they could name.[/quote:7de87c786e] I only heard one track and I think I heard ... Duel of Fates by John Williams from Star Wars episode one
7. Apr 9, 2007 10:33pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!" www.myspace.com/louisrip www.myspace.com/bluezbrothaz www.myspace.com/soulservers www.myspace.com/ukuepto soulservers/bluezbrothaz/big me,bigger us/d-list wreckordz
   [quote:5badf09e42="DR.T"]Say they did come across me with a sample of their music....do think they'd even care?[/quote:5badf09e42] Its' probably more of a scare tactic if anything, but @ the same time, no one can predict what your record will do, so wit that being said, most vendors wont wanna take the chance with you having uncleared samples under their name if your record happens to take off or someone actually recognizes it, cuz they would be partially liable..... my advice...hit the streets....
8. Apr 9, 2007 10:34pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
   [quote:2362cb49b3="Atilla_Beatsmith"]^yeah...I remember talkin with Anti crew when they dropped their mixtape...they sent it off to get burned, but since they used some mainstream beats, the company didn't do it. Not because they could recognize the samples used, they recognized the whole beat that they used...[/quote:2362cb49b3] So if you like edited and old sample that everybody has lost or unforgotten does it make it theirs still or what of that?
9. Apr 9, 2007 10:36pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
   [quote:0ccbdb5ee9="LouRip"] Its' probably more of a scare tactic if anything, but @ the same time, no one can predict what your record will do, so wit that being said, most vendors wont wanna take the chance with you having uncleared samples under their name if your record happens to take off or someone actually recognizes it... my advice...hit the streets....[/quote:0ccbdb5ee9] You talking about selling out the Backpack/Trunk or some other vendors? D'you know of any place that wouldn't care about sample claerance but wouldn't mind selling your stuff?
10. Apr 9, 2007 10:37pm by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb] WWW.HUMANCROPCIRCLES.NET WWW.MYSPACE.COM/HUMANCROPCIRCLES WWW.MYSPACE.COM/JKR70 Location: KcK
    [quote:d6af1b3602="DR.T"][quote:d6af1b3602="JKR70"]....Id be interested to see if anyone could name any samples off Dreamtime, and how many they could name.[/quote:d6af1b3602] I only heard one track and I think I heard ... Duel of Fates by John Williams from Star Wars episode one[/quote:d6af1b3602] AH HAHAHA NOPE, Everyone THINKS thats what it is. Its actually Alan Parsons Project, I forget the song title at the moment.
11. Apr 9, 2007 10:39pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!" www.myspace.com/louisrip www.myspace.com/bluezbrothaz www.myspace.com/soulservers www.myspace.com/ukuepto soulservers/bluezbrothaz/big me,bigger us/d-list wreckordz
    [quote:c8855990d6="DR.T"][quote:c8855990d6="LouRip"] Its' probably more of a scare tactic if anything, but @ the same time, no one can predict what your record will do, so wit that being said, most vendors wont wanna take the chance with you having uncleared samples under their name if your record happens to take off or someone actually recognizes it... my advice...hit the streets....[/quote:c8855990d6] You talking about selling out the Backpack/Trunk or some other vendors? D'you know of any place that wouldn't care about sample claerance but wouldn't mind selling your stuff?[/quote:c8855990d6] yeah i mean out the trunk/hip hop show around the city & generally small record stores around the city dont mind. If you got cats in other states, send them some copys & let them trick em off on the streets for you. For any underground/up & coming artist, having a street team is gonna be the best way to get your stuff out. You got people to vouch for your product/its the best & affordable way to market yourself/it's gives a more personal co-sign than just putting it in a store....... create a buzz in the street 1st..then head to the stores is my advise....
12. Apr 9, 2007 10:45pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:d088d17750="JKR70"][quote:d088d17750="DR.T"][quote:d088d17750="JKR70"]....Id be interested to see if anyone could name any samples off Dreamtime, and how many they could name.[/quote:d088d17750] I only heard one track and I think I heard ... Duel of Fates by John Williams from Star Wars episode one[/quote:d088d17750] AH HAHAHA NOPE, Everyone THINKS thats what it is. Its actually Alan Parsons Project, I forget the song title at the moment.[/quote:d088d17750] REALLY? Fooled me!!
13. Apr 9, 2007 10:48pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:5ced6f0f08="LouRip"][quote:5ced6f0f08="DR.T"][quote:5ced6f0f08="LouRip"] Its' probably more of a scare tactic if anything, but @ the same time, no one can predict what your record will do, so wit that being said, most vendors wont wanna take the chance with you having uncleared samples under their name if your record happens to take off or someone actually recognizes it... my advice...hit the streets....[/quote:5ced6f0f08] You talking about selling out the Backpack/Trunk or some other vendors? D'you know of any place that wouldn't care about sample claerance but wouldn't mind selling your stuff?[/quote:5ced6f0f08] yeah i mean out the trunk/hip hop show around the city & generally small record stores around the city dont mind. If you got cats in other states, send them some copys & let them trick em off on the streets for you. For any underground/up & coming artist, having a street team is gonna be the best way to get your stuff out. You got people to vouch for your product/its the best & affordable way to market yourself/it's gives a more personal co-sign than just putting it in a store....... create a buzz in the street 1st..then head to the stores is my advise....[/quote:5ced6f0f08] Hmm....that sounds good... but I bet you'd really have to trust them folks with like being honest and handling your money and all that.....
14. Apr 9, 2007 10:58pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!" www.myspace.com/louisrip www.myspace.com/bluezbrothaz www.myspace.com/soulservers www.myspace.com/ukuepto soulservers/bluezbrothaz/big me,bigger us/d-list wreckordz
    naturally it would have to be someone you trust or if you have the means, take a weekend trip wit you & your crew to head out of state & do it your self. I've found that people tend to respond more to out of towners doin their thing cuz it shows them that you are making serious moves & they are intrigued as to why you chose their town to come to.....
15. Apr 10, 2007 12:19am by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url] [url=http://www.myspace.com/jdflow]JDFlow on Myspace[/url] [url=http://ccedistribution.blogspot.com/]Distribution & Marketing[/url] Location: Seattle
    [quote="DR.T"][quote:bed6dd682b="LouRip"]D'you know of any place that wouldn't care about sample claerance but wouldn't mind selling your stuff?[/quote:bed6dd682b] Visit my myspace, click on the CCE banner under links and sign up. It's a network of stores getting close to nationwide that I've personally spoken with. They'll sell em cause they're not liable.
16. Apr 10, 2007 12:45am by Reach. - Peace and oneness, www.emceereach.com www.myspace.com/reach www.twitter.com/emceereach www.youtube.com/reachtv www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic2 www.cdbaby.com/cd/reachmusic Location: Kansas City
    Most pressing houses and online distributors will ask if you have appropriate clearances for any samples that may have been used, but few of them follow through and enforce those rules.
17. Apr 10, 2007 10:47pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    But what about someone trying to copyright their music with sample in it...is that possible. Or should someone just say "forget it" and not copyright it....?????
18. Apr 10, 2007 11:12pm by LouRip - "Im not supposed to be here, Im just not!!" www.myspace.com/louisrip www.myspace.com/bluezbrothaz www.myspace.com/soulservers www.myspace.com/ukuepto soulservers/bluezbrothaz/big me,bigger us/d-list wreckordz
    depends on how big the sample is & if its recognizable. When i was with UKUEPTO, one of the producers in the group sampled all the time, but he rearranged it so much until it was completley unidentifiable from the original. He would also take bits & pieces of tv shows & commercials.. you know stuff that most people wouldnt be able to recognize anyway & we were able to get all of it copyrighted. my general rule of thumb was, we are not no big time group & anybody who came after us for sampling their joint knew it would be a waste of time, they would wind up spending more money in lawyer fee's then they would actually win.... doubt if that explanation would hold firm in a court of law but thats my rationale & Im stickin 2 it......:)
19. Apr 11, 2007 03:21am by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    Hmm... Sounds cool to me..... But man....I gotta quit looping samples sometimes....hahaha
20. Apr 11, 2007 04:15am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    I have someone who said they would be willing to publish me joints on their site, which is represented in part by, BMI. but I either had to eliminate my samples or get permission. This is what is holding me back from "signing" a distribution contract. They want to make sure that even the samples that i used that are "royalty free" are truly that. I thought I could just hop on. But its no joke. If people feel like they have lost any profit, they will most likely, not always, but still way too frequently, seek legal action. Then at the same time, I still produce melodies that I have actually played and been told that htey sound all of Professional, MIDI :wink:, and like a video game. You gotta take chances though thats what keeps HIP HOP fun. everything you do wont be perfect. Shit I got tracks I think are J. Blaze. I bump em err day. but they dont get any love on the sites or boards. you gotta go for yours and be selfish about it. do it for yourself. you got mad talent. my humble opinion. AF PEACE!! they did tell me that there is like a 5-8 second or 5 bar rule about sampling. More info anyone?
21. Apr 11, 2007 09:29am by Atilla_Beatsmith - [email protected] www.myspace.com/manwithahammer Location: the Beatcave, U.S.A.
    [quote:88eef76f90="AceFadal"] they did tell me that there is like a 5-8 second or 5 bar rule about sampling. More info anyone?[/quote:88eef76f90] short answer: no.
22. Apr 12, 2007 01:46am by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:367fc42f2f="AceFadal"]I have someone who said they would be willing to publish me joints on their site, which is represented in part by, BMI. but I either had to eliminate my samples or get permission. This is what is holding me back from "signing" a distribution contract. They want to make sure that even the samples that i used that are "royalty free" are truly that. I thought I could just hop on. But its no joke. If people feel like they have lost any profit, they will most likely, not always, but still way too frequently, seek legal action. Then at the same time, I still produce melodies that I have actually played and been told that htey sound all of Professional, MIDI :wink:, and like a video game. You gotta take chances though thats what keeps HIP HOP fun. everything you do wont be perfect. Shit I got tracks I think are J. Blaze. I bump em err day. but they dont get any love on the sites or boards. you gotta go for yours and be selfish about it. do it for yourself. you got mad talent. .. [/quote:367fc42f2f] Thats real talk....and your right... Once I tried to to stuff with keyboards and all...but then I used one sample and it was kinda like an addiction.... Besides...I'm a firm believer an recycling....
23. Apr 12, 2007 01:09pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    I have been making music on coleco vision music (commadore 64) WAY back in '86 - '87. We were recreating Run DMC beats, we thought we were fresh. I have tried alot of different music programs. If you look, you can get some really good sounds, loops, and instruments. I got a little frustrated when I came on this board and found out how many people use MPC's. But then I found that my MIDI controller and a certain program act the same as having an MPC, it was all good. Plus I have an ancient Gemini DS-1224 Sampler. I'm glad that I have the ability to create chords and melodies without sampling though. Sampling sounds cleaner...most times.but its good to have something to fall back on. good luck mane Peace AF
24. Apr 12, 2007 01:19pm by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc www.myspace.com/brent22
    [quote:9b0fce602c="Atilla_Beatsmith"]^yeah...I remember talkin with Anti crew when they dropped their mixtape...they sent it off to get burned, but since they used some mainstream beats, the company didn't do it. Not because they could recognize the samples used, they recognized the whole beat that they used...[/quote:9b0fce602c] i'm sure some cd manufacturers are even a little more sketchy about things these days, especially since the whole dj drama/cannon thing went down, but there are still a TON of manufacturers out there that don't give a fuck. they've got dollar signs in their eyes and won't say no to anything or anyone. shop around and don't be discouraged when someone tells you they won't duplicate it for you.
25. Apr 12, 2007 01:21pm by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc www.myspace.com/brent22
    [quote:2ecae03b9e="Atilla_Beatsmith"][quote:2ecae03b9e="AceFadal"] they did tell me that there is like a 5-8 second or 5 bar rule about sampling. More info anyone?[/quote:2ecae03b9e] short answer: no.[/quote:2ecae03b9e] it's all about the nature of the use. plain and simple.
26. Apr 12, 2007 09:05pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:da8790923b="AceFadal"]... I have tried alot of different music programs. If you look, you can get some really good sounds, loops, and instruments. I got a little frustrated when I came on this board and found out how many people use MPC's. But then I found that my MIDI controller and a certain program act the same as having an MPC, it was all good. Plus I have an ancient Gemini DS-1224 Sampler. ........[/quote:da8790923b] Thats what I do...I hooked up my Yamaha PSR-79 to my computer, and used it like an MPC...But even if I had a million dollars....I still ouldn't buy an MPC.... I ain't gonna front, I use FL Studio (with like 5 other minor programs ) and it suits me just fine..... Shoot... give me a VCR, Some duct Tape, a Chicken bone,and a microphone..I still make a beat..... NAWW MEAN!!!!
27. Apr 12, 2007 09:09pm by Atilla_Beatsmith - [email protected] www.myspace.com/manwithahammer Location: the Beatcave, U.S.A.
    Why wouldn't you get an mpc if you had a million dollars? who said you can ONLY use an Mpc exclusively after you buy one? I mean, I use a hammer, but I'm not opposed to other equipment. I tried using an mpc 2000xl once, but it's not as sturdy as my anvil and it broke. 😥
28. Apr 12, 2007 09:15pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    right now im really into herbs, berries, rocks, and tree leaves. Bird shit makes your sounds echo. And if you use acorn shells you get an automatic hit. The problem is finding these shells that havent been cracked. Rocks banged together at 95 bmp is an original gangsta hit.
29. Apr 12, 2007 11:52pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:8acb4b4f01="Atilla_Beatsmith"]Why wouldn't you get an mpc if you had a million dollars? who said you can ONLY use an Mpc exclusively after you buy one? I mean, I use a hammer, but I'm not opposed to other equipment. I tried using an mpc 2000xl once, but it's not as sturdy as my anvil and it broke. :cry:[/quote:8acb4b4f01] I don't know...I was just trying to make it seem like I had 100% faith in what I use already b putting down slightly better instruments.... But is seems as though my plan didn't work the best.... I would mos def get an MPC even if I had 10,000 bucks..... Yeah I seen that hammer you use...ain't no way on earth, the MPC can stand up to it's awesome power.... DATS REAL TALK!
30. Apr 13, 2007 12:00am by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    [quote:19fc3180e6="AceFadal"]right now im really into herbs, berries, rocks, and tree leaves. Bird shit makes your sounds echo. And if you use acorn shells you get an automatic hit. The problem is finding these shells that havent been cracked. Rocks banged together at 95 bmp is an original gangsta hit.[/quote:19fc3180e6] Then you gotta throw some leaves on dat bitch, and you'll go 2xPlat in like 2 days.... trust me...I seen it happen...My nigga was using some pokemon card wappers, a permanent marker, a bloody shoelace, and I bootlegged copy of "Batman Returns" and his beats was garbage.... Then I said, "Nigga... use summa deez leaves I got from Oklahoma...and rub um' on dat sh*t!" He did ...and BAM!!! he outsold Micheal Jackson's (whole career) in like a week... He had hella money, but spent it all on crack, boxes of cookie crisp, and a sweat shop in Singapore.... Haha......
31. Apr 13, 2007 03:46am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:785ed5b46b="DR.T"][quote:785ed5b46b="AceFadal"]right now im really into herbs, berries, rocks, and tree leaves. Bird shit makes your sounds echo. And if you use acorn shells you get an automatic hit. The problem is finding these shells that havent been cracked. Rocks banged together at 95 bmp is an original gangsta hit.[/quote:785ed5b46b] Then you gotta throw some leaves on dat bitch, and you'll go 2xPlat in like 2 days.... trust me...I seen it happen...My nigga was using some pokemon card wappers, a permanent marker, a bloody shoelace, and I bootlegged copy of "Batman Returns" and his beats was garbage.... Then I said, "Nigga... use summa deez leaves I got from Oklahoma...and rub um' on dat sh*t!" He did ...and BAM!!! he outsold Micheal Jackson's (whole career) in like a week... He had hella money, but spent it all on crack, boxes of cookie crisp, and a sweat shop in Singapore.... Haha......[/quote:785ed5b46b] oh shit. I just kicked my power cord out of the wall for laughing so hard. I had to reboot my pc. lucky my laptop has battery backup.:( hope I didnt lose shit!!!
32. Apr 13, 2007 03:59am by maclethal
    Don't worry about clearing samples man. Just press your shit up and put it out. They aren't gonna fuck with you until you're worth fucking with (meaning they can sue you.) And when you get to the point that you're worth being sued by a big label (money wise I mean, not talent-wise), you'll know the game well enough. Jack whatever you fuckin' want.
33. Apr 13, 2007 01:59pm by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb] WWW.HUMANCROPCIRCLES.NET WWW.MYSPACE.COM/HUMANCROPCIRCLES WWW.MYSPACE.COM/JKR70 Location: KcK
    [quote:b0d55e21e0="maclethal"]Don't worry about clearing samples man. Just press your shit up and put it out. They aren't gonna fuck with you until you're worth fucking with (meaning they can sue you.) And when you get to the point that you're worth being sued by a big label (money wise I mean, not talent-wise), you'll know the game well enough. Jack whatever you fuckin' want.[/quote:b0d55e21e0] Yes !!!!! SAMPLE THE PLANET SAMPLE THE PLANET SAMPLE THE PLANET
34. Apr 14, 2007 02:17am by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
    i ask myself about these sampling issues every week. But as I research... its not a big deal unless you have money for them to sue you for. also, if you are hesitant.. check out all these [url]http://www.ultragraphik.com/blog[/url] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [b:63c8506ac9]BUT:::: if a sample IS cleared, would it then have to be credited?[/b:63c8506ac9]
35. Apr 14, 2007 01:07pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
    Hmmm.... It seems pretty safe then....I doubt I'm gonna blow up anytime soon so I guess i'm in the clear. I just hope no-ones tries to be an ass, and try to make an example out of me..... Any of yall ever been given a "cease and desist" notice before.....?