Topic: Undergound indie hip hop is extra superduper wack right now
- Jun 19, 2006 04:26pm by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
for real....
the rawkus era, the early def jux era, the stones throw of last year, what do we have now?
*a Rawkus come-back attempt? putting out strong new music?
*Sound In Color doing big things? hopefully.
[b:22aa86aeef]Maybe its hip hop.. or traditional hip hop, that is suffering a lack of creativity spell.[/b:22aa86aeef]
Because, after all,when certain artists try and make progressive hip hop, some claim it doesnt sound like hip hop at all.
After DJing consistently now for a few months, its apparent to me that there isnt much new hip hop worth playing. It seems like soul/RnB artists and UK eletronic artists have filled the void of hip hop progressiveness..
and when there IS a progressive, current, dope hip hop artist, they get snatched by a major label within a year and are no longer indie.
Am i wrong? what do you think
ps- maybe the hottest hip hop on the indie side is about to come out of KC.
Cause the top indie labels are really letting me down right now.
- Jun 19, 2006 04:53pm by Cu_Cu Location: Top Sit-Tay
In my opinion, Procussions are pretty fresh,,yea they went to rawkus. but i still think there fresh,
Cyne, Radix, Dave Ghetto come to mind
truth is the KC and surroundings areas are "the huge silence"
I know what'cha saying though.
- Jun 19, 2006 05:13pm by Sku - I knocked up the turntables and gave birth to phat stylez!
http://www.myspace.com/djsku Location: KC
Hey Miles you should check out:
Dabrye- Two/Three
This album just came out last week. It's some next level hip hop shit.
I agree with you though about the current state of indie hip hop. I'm not really feeling anybodys shit except for maybe the Procussions and that new Dabrye record. Busta's record is pretty fucking good too.
- Jun 19, 2006 05:30pm by Ben_Fuller
[quote:ccddf63496="Sku"]Hey Miles you should check out:
Dabrye- Two/Three
This album just came out last week. It's some next level hip hop shit.
[/quote:ccddf63496]
Dabrye is the fuckin bomb. He has been killing it for years.
Indie hip hip is totally wack right now and really has been for a while IMO.
I'm feeling a lot of the commerical stuff out. The new Nelly Furtado joints are hot...both 'Promiscuous Girl' and 'Maneater'. Bojangles is good as is Jiggle It on the way commercial tip. Kelis' 'Bossy' should be real big this summer.
I've pretty much given up on most indie hiphop for the time being.
- Jun 19, 2006 05:35pm by Ben_Fuller
[quote:97611ee47d="MILES"]*Sound In Color doing big things? hopefully. [/quote:97611ee47d]
SIC has been good since the get go, though the majority of their output I don't even consider hiphop.
- Jun 19, 2006 05:37pm by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
absolutatluutly, I already have tha dabrey album,. thanks for the suggestion though. thats a great example of new goodness. yummy
The stuff worth listening to for me now is the
Roy Ayers BBE remix series..
the Ubiquity Rewind! series...
Bilal newness... (check questloves myspace Bilal track... amazing)
new Premier stuff
this dude named J the S in Boston and this other dude named Slain
(ran into them on tour)
Bilal Salaam and W Ellington Felton from DC
Dre King in DC
Reggie B
...
- Jun 19, 2006 05:39pm by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
[quote:8afe14a490="Ben_Fuller"][quote:8afe14a490="MILES"]*Sound In Color doing big things? hopefully. [/quote:8afe14a490]
SIC has been good since the get go, though the majority of their output I don't even consider hiphop.[/quote:8afe14a490]
exactly.. its hard to find good examples of quality hip hop
- Jun 19, 2006 05:48pm by Ben_Fuller
Ubiquity is such a dependable label. Between all the reissues and the new shit they put out I seem to pick up at least 1 or 2 of their releases every month.
That Owusu and Hannibal 12" that came out 4-5 months ago is fucking badass on the soul tip/electro/Sa-Ra tip. The Morgan Geist remix is baaad.
Speaking of Sa-Ra...where are they? Things were about to go insane, then they got signed to GOOD Music...then things went silent.
Definitely check out Eliot Lipp. He has an album on Eastern Developments (Prefuse's label) and a new album on Hefty that didn't get nearly the attention it deserved.
- Jun 19, 2006 06:33pm by phism
i'm not really paying attention anymore.
i like eliot lipp and dabrye.
but i haven't heard much that would make me want to buy a cd from anybody. aside from locals, i haven't bought a cd in a while. i pretty much only buy vinyl that i think will make people dance (and go home with somebody).
- Jun 19, 2006 08:10pm by Fur1ous - "She said, 'who the fuck died and made you God?' I said, Jesus"
I've been kinda down on the indie scene for awhile now, I find myself gravitating toward the same artists I've been listening too. I listen to as many clips of new material all the time, it appears to me that your average indie artist strives to be so progressive and intelligent, they forget to have fun. The way we criticize mainstream artists for sounding the same, indie artists are suffering from the same plague. I was excited to check out Who Reframed the A Team....Acey and Ab Rude. I listened to 3 or 4 tracks and shut the shit off like....what the fuck? If you don't even sound enthused about your own music, how do you expect an audience to? Chino XL Poison Pen....I'm an official member of the Chino dickriders fan club, but the production on the album was so mundane and unimaginative that I've only given it one official listen. I heard his growth as an artist and loved the lyrics, but the whole package wasn't there. Even my favorite artists disappoint me nowadays. In all honesty, I hear better underground hiphop coming from the local area than anywhere else, the question is what to do with it?
On a side note, T.I.'s Why You Wanna track is such a throwback to the mid 90s sound, it's ridiculous. I heard the track without knowing who it was and fell in love, imagine my shock when I realized who it was.
- Jun 20, 2006 01:53am by D-Crew - -- D-Crew's Young Ace
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I've Never Been Big On The Indie Scene...
Now The Mixtape Scene, Thats Where I Can Provide Input...
- Jun 20, 2006 04:29am by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Adam Savage Location: Olathe, KS
[quote:1a16e2949c="MILES"]
After DJing consistently now for a few months, its apparent to me that there isnt much new hip hop worth playing. It seems like soul/RnB artists and UK eletronic artists have filled the void of hip hop progressiveness..
[/quote:1a16e2949c]
Actually the UK could be the answer on next level stuff. They are bringing back soul in a major way, and also have grime which is real fast rough hip hop....kind of a mix of drum and bass with hip hop. The grime style could easily catch on since it's fast and progressive, it uses synths, but not the cheesy ass synths most americans use cough::triton::cough
In reality it makes a lot of sense to step in and out of the hip hop style. Many people don't give hip hop artists the respect many deserve as all around musicians. That can easily be for a reason, but just as many people are far more versitile than they show.
There's so many things that can be done that just aren't or aren't done enough because it isn't the norm. Live bands are a good example. It doesn't have to be the standard band, 2 dj's, and 2 guys with samplers, or just odd stuff in general that isn't done enough.
If something becomes stagnant it's due to closemindedness. It's easy to see many things that can make the music more exciting, just means possibly stepping out of the set formula and experimenting.
- Jun 20, 2006 05:10am by trystyl - www.myspace.com/trystyl Location: KCMO
Doomtree. Indie and hella sick every single one of them but especially POS and Dessa Darling
- Jun 20, 2006 12:20pm by StikFiga - "i could never be a thug, they dont dress this well"--Malice of the Clipse
used to be obsessed with sandbox automatic, now i could careless.
i now consider indie to mean murderdog and ozone magazine haha yall can keep the URB.
- Jun 20, 2006 08:59pm by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
Again, that DABRYE album is extra super duper dope. (a lil glitched out for some, but not enough to bother, its good, check it out)
"TWO/THREE" is the name. as sku said. Hotness on a strong indie label.
much respect to ghostly international.
- Jun 20, 2006 11:27pm by JDFlow - [url=http://www.my.rawkus.com/profile/jdflow]JDFlow on Rawkus[/url]
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Yeah, I'm not complaining. There's plenty of good stuff out there and when I've heard my share of the new I just rely on the classics to keep me vibin. On the real though, is it just hiphop? I love all music and have noticed a hella quick decline, not so much in quality, but in soul. An emcee might have the sickest lines in the world but the passion is what touches you.
- Jun 21, 2006 01:13am by phism
coldcut has a semi-new album, "sound mirrors"... and if you don't know who coldcut is, do your research, they did the first major remix as we know it (paid in full), and continued to invent things for the two decades to present, and they're the CEOs of ninja tune.
p.s. maybe i'm taking the term "passion" a little too far, but i think sometimes i like the opposite... despair, maybe. i think i decided that i only have two criteria for music. 1) premonitions of the apocalypse. 2) validations of my own psychoses.
p.p.s. with a tribe hook i guess "why you wanna" has to be a 90s throwback.
- Jun 22, 2006 01:55am by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc
www.myspace.com/brent22
wow...i've been screaming this shit for like 2 years. other than the local dudes in kc i was running with, i wasn't really hearing too much indie hip-hop worth a shit and i'm still not. that creative pinnacle in that music from a number of angles has come and gone and it's a damn shame because there was some shit that dropped in the late 90's on to about 2004 that will always hold a special place in my heart. it has to. it inspired me to start a record label you know?
but with that said...the shit is [b:031fab3725]DEAD[/b:031fab3725] right now. same formulas are being run into the ground over and over again, with everyone treading the same water in hopes of maintaining some sort of golden era in a genre of music that desperately needs a solid kick in the ass. i have no clue where the shit is gonna come from, but i'm hoping somebody steps up and saves the day.
as far as recommendations on things of the hip-hop variety, a good number have been mentioned. dabrye, eliot lipp, sa-ra...shit's like that. i'm still really big on that platinum pied pipers album from last year. there's an album from sleepy brown easily found on the net called phunk o naut. ridiculously dope shit. definitely feeling some of the tracks on the latest bubba sparxxx album. Cut Chemist, Edan and Mr. Lif have a cut out called The Storm that is beyond bonkers...old school electro type shit. The stuff I'm hearing from DJ Shadow these days is very interesting but that shouldn't surprise anyone. Check out anything Ghislain Poirier if you haven't already. He's got an album of remixes out there you can buy from his website that Ben Fuller will endorse heavily as well. Jack Splash (cee-lo and plantlife) have a tasty gem out right now. There's also a ton of good stuff from this dude Salva who did an album with your boy Approach recently. His stuff is along that same feel as the uptempo Sa Ra party type ish. I'm also digging the new Roots joint. And then there's a long list of southern shit I'm feeling too, but I'll keep that to myself. 8)
- Jun 22, 2006 06:49am by phism
nobody wanted to be called a backpacker, so they decided to try to mimic the mainstream or old school and just ended up looking like weak wannabes.
shoulda had that schism.
- Jun 22, 2006 08:23am by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc
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[quote:b2c3046fd8="phism"]nobody wanted to be called a backpacker, so they decided to try to mimic the mainstream or old school and just ended up looking like weak wannabes.
shoulda had that schism.[/quote:b2c3046fd8]
i don't think shit like cold vein or fantastic damage fits that mold bro. djx had something incredibly their own from like late 1999 - 2002 that was neither mainstream or new school. it was just a culmination of a bunch of different influences and got turned into something that was majorly paranoid and BANGED at the same time. there's nothing like that right now.
- Jun 22, 2006 06:00pm by phism
that's what i'm saying, after that, everybody was too afraid of not being just considered broadly "hip-hop"... that short burst of whatever from def jux is my favorite shit... but all the heroes of it decided to go different directions.
el-p started working more with eastern conference and making party music and trying to be more obviously ghetto or whatever... and atmosphere started wanting to really be an emo band... and anticon decided to do even more drugs and barely even be considered hip-hop, etc.
nobody wanted to be labeled, i think. it's kind of like skratch music maybe.
i'm always intrigued by short-lived scenes.
- Jun 22, 2006 09:53pm by LouisSkolnick
Suga Free "Just Add Water" is where its at
- Jun 23, 2006 01:05am by cha-chE - www.myspace.com/tactickc
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[quote:ae801daae5="LouisSkolnick"]Suga Free "Just Add Water" is where its at[/quote:ae801daae5]
always and forever will be...
