Topic: Basic Beat Making 101 Video
- Feb 27, 2009 09:41pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing
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WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]!
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Not unusual for me to spend a night making beats. Tonite I decided to record what I do. From start to finish. I show you how I get down.
Feel free to leave comments. Get at me for beats.
Enjoy!
- Mar 2, 2009 02:46am by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
I love these types of videos....more people need to do em....
good stuff ACE
- Mar 15, 2009 05:49am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing
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Thank You.
- Mar 15, 2009 07:21pm by Ben_Fuller
Here is how its really done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKd3WWDXn8M
- Mar 16, 2009 04:42am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing
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[quote:bcce00634c]I instantly dismiss anything Soulja Boy does as an exercise in ignorance, stupidity, and laziness. That being said, this video is no exception to the rule, but it may provide some help to FL users. Then again, watch with caution as his rambling about money and Gucci sneakers could possibly rot your brain.[/quote:bcce00634c]
crank that niguh
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- Mar 22, 2009 08:34pm by Urban-Suburban Location: Kansas City, Kansas
tight shit ace, this shit is inspiring for real. I cant believe theres not like50 replies to this.
EVERYONE should post a vid of them working.. man I cant wait to get back on my feet.
keep this shit up my nig
- Mar 22, 2009 11:03pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing
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[quote:ecfdc2f33d="Urban-Suburban"]tight shit ace, this shit is inspiring for real. I cant believe theres not like50 replies to this.
EVERYONE should post a vid of them working.. man I cant wait to get back on my feet.
keep this shit up my nig[/quote:ecfdc2f33d]
Thank You very much. Maybe we can do something together. Hit me up!
- Mar 23, 2009 09:36pm by Lucidialect
Finally peeped this video. Dope.
- Mar 23, 2009 11:09pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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Good stuff Ace!!!
- Mar 24, 2009 12:49am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing
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WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]!
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Thanks for watching and the comments.
- Mar 25, 2009 12:37am by Deta!L - I just said that so you would stop bothering me.
I'm not gonna lie man, I was mad frustrated watching your video! made me 1000 times happy that I have an MPC! haha, you should maybe edit that shit down somehow too...
2 cents
thanks for posting though, and props for putting yourself out there
- Mar 25, 2009 03:37am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing
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WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]!
http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
[quote:161a9bdf84="Deta!L"]I'm not gonna lie man, I was mad frustrated watching your video! made me 1000 times happy that I have an MPC! haha, you should maybe edit that shit down somehow too...
2 cents
thanks for posting though, and props for putting yourself out there[/quote:161a9bdf84]
btw.It is a 101 vid.
Why do you like you MP so much, because it automatically quantize s for you, or records on the beat? ?
I guess my real question to you would be, what do you not like about Ableton?
I had an MPC. I sold it. Its too slow, for what I do. Too much work to get what I want. I made this video and beat in under an hour, with every intention of showing it off. ((I really did just hit record)). You can't sample and finish on an MPC in an hour. ((as well as making t look harder than it is)) I use Ableton because is streamlines the process. I can add FX and changes, quantize, everything!!!.....On the Fly "LIVE".....
Don't under estimate the Power of Ableton, Fruity Loops, and MIDI controllers. They are about to take over. Unless you've got an MV-8800. you are working with caveman tools!
With all due respect, you Might as well be using a DR.Sample and a beat machine for all of your beats, homie.
MPC=Vinyl
Trigger Finger= Serato
Reason/FL are both great programs although they don't really suit my workflow. I love FL for drum programming as I still think it's the one of the dopest program (hardware or software) for doing drums. reason has it's positives etc. ak 9th wonder but....
for me, again, I am used to working in a hardware environment and certain things I want to be able to do on the fly.
Ableton takes some of the best features from FL/Reason and also has some features that are very MPC like, and combines them in a really comprehensive work-flow.
I can go on for days about this shit but i'll just highlight some features that sold me on the program.
[b:161a9bdf84]1)[/b:161a9bdf84] direct recording. I use some hardware synths, and with the MP (or other sampler) i could direct record into my sequence w/out missing a beat. in ableton, you can have your sequence going, create an audio track, and record your hardware synth live into the program and BOOM, its right there in the sequence. no bells and whistles. this is something that reason cannot do, and is a pain in the ass in FL. mind you. Dont even ask if Akai knows what this is...... a lot of people don't even need this feature, but for me, it's really important. the first reason to say no MPC
[b:161a9bdf84]2)[/b:161a9bdf84] ableton has two modes, kind of like a beat programming mode to get your basic program, then the sequencer mode, to sequence the beat into a song. sequencing in ableton is extremely quick and easy. it's almost too easy at times. there is so much dragging and dropping ability it's amazing. it's almost as if they got inside the heads of beatmakers and really figured out the best work-flow to implement. you can say "oh let me drag this effect here, or drag this kick pattern over here, or make a new track here...etc etc." you can do almost anything, there are few limits.
the other positive is that the sequencer in ableton works VERY similar to PT. so if your accustomed to sequencing in PT, the transition will be very smooth. a lot of the key commands and editing features mimic those in PT to a tea, which to me is great that the programmers did this as opposed to trying to be avant garde and implementing some obscure new editing commands. they just kept it familiar and simple.
[b:161a9bdf84]3)[/b:161a9bdf84] drum tracks. this is basically an MPC style drum machine. there is a browser on the left side of the screen that works exactly like FL where you can scroll through drums/samples whatever and drag them to a track. only in ableton, you can open up the drum tracks device and it's setup like an MPC with 16 empty pads you can drag samples too... only there are up to 168 pads or something you can use in one track!! it's crazy. so in-other-words, on the MPC you have 4 pad banks.. well in ableton, you can have damn near 10 pad banks! ALSO, unlike FL, you can highlight as many drum sounds you want from the browser and drag them all at once to the pads!!! and if that weren't enough, you can edit parameters on each individual pad (ie volume, pan, adrs, etc) and apply effects to each pad... it's insane. oh and you can use 3rd party plugins/vsts! On just that one sample exclusively if you want to.
[b:161a9bdf84]4)[/b:161a9bdf84] last but not least. the built in sampler makes chopping samples and assigning to pads/keys really easy. let's say you have a sample right, you can drag it in ableton, then open up ableton's sampler. you can then highlight sections you want from the sample (ala PT) and drag those sections directly into the sampler. you then assign all the sample chops too keys/pads and BOOM, there's your chop, assigned to keys and all. and each chop has it's own parameters etc.
So as you can see I could go on but I'll just stop here. again, these are the main features of ableton that stood out for me. sequencing is linear in ableton so there's no pattern shit ala FL (which i have NO problem with). you build tracks in a linear fashion (MPC style) so it's pretty simple in that regard.
Trigger finger is plug and play.
My Opinion is. The MPC is a status symbol, just like turntables. Ableton has a high learning curve. especially if you are old skoo or used to the MPC.
Lastly ...the 9th wonder is known for making dope beats, Hes known for using Fruity Loops. Well he just dropped that for ProTools
http://djchima.com/blog/2008/08/9th-wonder-ditched-fruity-loop/
GROW!!!!
The Future Ain't What It Used To Be!!
http://www.berkleemusic.com/discuss/message?forum_id=13331&message_id=4005371
Use your Caveman tools as a Computer MIDI controller...If you got alot of time on your hands...
[quote:161a9bdf84]Using MPC and Computer Together
. Say you want compose on your PC and be able to hear your modules, but the MPC in the way (since you like to keep everything hooked to it). Typically you could put a midi patchbay between the MPC and the modules then connect your computer to the patchbay to access the modules. You then have to switch your patchbay settings to access the modules by computer or MPC depending on which you wanted to work.
Here's another way to work. Connect your computer's midi outs to the MPC's midi in's. If have two midi out's on your computer all the better. Set the MPC's midi to "multitrack". That would be changing the "S:" on the bottom left of the main screen to "M:". Open window on the "M:". In this multitrack screen set the input channels to correspond to tracks and their appropriate midi channels. Close this window. In your computer sequencer, mirror the track/midi relationships to what you have on the MPC. The MPC in this setup is acting as a "midi thru" box. You can now enter notes (and play) on you computer sequencer and hear the results on the appropriate modules. When done arranging on the PC, save the midi file and load it in the MPC. The MPC will play the same as you had on the computer. I think you can even leave the MPC in "multitrack" since it just affects "recording" (which you really aren't doing, just "thru"ing the info). Simplicity is best! I have patchbays, but I try not to use them.
Fewer components means less chance of failure and quicker timing. If you use a master controller, you can put it on the input of your computer for note entry.
Along with this is another idea to save some time when transferring sequences from computer to MPC. Create your default layout on the MPC with tracks named and assigned to midi channels or drum tracks. Basically enter everything but note data. Save this sequence as a midi file type 1. Load this midi file in your favorite computer sequencer. Perform your note entry and editing, but do not re-arrange tracks. You can even preview from the computer using the above method. When done, save the midi file and then load it on the MPC. All track assignments should be same as your template, ready to go. The reason this should work (I can't check myself since I do not have a computer in the studio) is that the MPC saves files within the midi spec. All the extra data the MPC uses for names and assignments is embedded within the midi file. As long as your computer sequencer does not mangle the existing data or you don't modify it yourself, the data should still be there when reloading on the MPC.
Additional Info
I finally got a chance to dig through some sequencer items of the MPC since it looks like I may have to write a Acid-to-MPC Sequence converter since the one at the thefreestyles.com really isn't up to par to use in most any sequencer including the MPC without mucho work. I imagine one could write something like a CAL script to convert note numbers of each track, but that's another story. (BTW, I've finished the Acid-to-MPC program and included it in the MPC Editor to be released at a later date.)
Some issues with converting Acid to useable MPC information: The biggest and probably the only one worth mentioning would be to convert pitch changes to NV changes in an MPC sequence, since the MPC does not have keygroups, you cannot use normal note changes to simulate pitch changes. Easy enough right? We'll see.
Next I had to decipher how the MPC stores NV slider data and discovered a few things. One is how the MPC stores it. The MPC stores NV slider amount as a note off event, Note C-2 to be exact. Note C-2 really does not exist on any synth so it's an easy blank note (Other sequencer use this note to signify no note as a placeholder of sorts. Waldorf does this in the Q's sequencer). The note off velocity signifies the amount of the NV slider. Pretty nifty if you ask me. This data is actually never transmitted from the MPC but is there nonetheless for the MPC to use. It may be possible to write a small app to extract this info and convert it if necessary, but there is another way:
Along with the NV slider, you can also assign an incoming CC to control the NV slider. When you are recording this information, it get recorded as CC data _and_ the C-2 note off events. This is particularly useful, since, if you ever want to use the midi in another sequencer or use this data in some other fashion, this CC does show up (the C-2 note off data is ignored and not editable). So, if you ever need to use NV type effects on another platform, just use an external slider to record the CC's as necessary. You get the benefit of hearing the effect on the sample, plus you get some editable CC data to apply to the sample on another platform.
Now I just have to finish reverse engineering the Acid file, which is pretty much a nightmare. Even the currently available utility that I mentioned above ignores pitch changes.[/quote:161a9bdf84] Yeach! NO thank You.. I found this when I was trying to use the MPC with Ableton.......
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[b:161a9bdf84]OH...Thank you Fam, for watching and giving me feedback...!! Truly Appreciated [/b:161a9bdf84][/size:161a9bdf84]
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- Mar 25, 2009 05:06am by Deta!L - I just said that so you would stop bothering me.
whoa! haha, damn homeeeey!
- Mar 28, 2009 05:06pm by Urban-Suburban Location: Kansas City, Kansas
LMAO damn fadal roasted you!
all love tho
- Mar 29, 2009 10:43pm by Deta!L - I just said that so you would stop bothering me.
[quote:32675768a9="Urban-Suburban"]LMAO damn fadal roasted you!
[/quote:32675768a9]
not quite
- Mar 31, 2009 08:17am by dirge
I swear that I hear the 'software vs. hardware' argument all the time! It's never the gear that matters! It's the creator that is the most important. I've heard tracks from an MPC that will son beats from a computer and vice versa! I personally use both and also both in conjunction. I'm about to score an EPS-16 plus courtesy of Trystyl. What! =) -vrt
- Mar 31, 2009 04:12pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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[quote:b9909a3505="dirge"]I swear that I hear the 'software vs. hardware' argument all the time! It's never the gear that matters! It's the creator that is the most important. I've heard tracks from an MPC that will son beats from a computer and vice versa! I personally use both and also both in conjunction. I'm about to score an EPS-16 plus courtesy of Trystyl. What! =) -vrt[/quote:b9909a3505]
Co-signed.
Learn your equipment, perfect your craft, and it won't matter.
Hell it's a dude on YouTube making beats out of sounds from video clips.
- Mar 31, 2009 07:44pm by MilkDrop - http://milkisrhyming.blogspot.com/
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Ace i've seen D/Will chop and finish beats in less an hour on an MP many times....
In fact 3 or 4 joints he did for my album he made the beat and we recorded in less than an hour.
- Mar 31, 2009 09:56pm by Urban-Suburban Location: Kansas City, Kansas
[quote:007903449e="dirge"]I swear that I hear the 'software vs. hardware' argument all the time! It's never the gear that matters! It's the creator that is the most important. I've heard tracks from an MPC that will son beats from a computer and vice versa! I personally use both and also both in conjunction. I'm about to score an EPS-16 plus courtesy of Trystyl. What! =) -vrt[/quote:007903449e]
Its rare (at least for me anyways) to hear software sound better than hardware.
- Mar 31, 2009 11:39pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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Again, it's never a matter of the equipment.
It's the user of the equipment that makes the difference.
I've known producers with thousands of dollars worth of hardware that turn out beats that don't justify those purchases.
Conversely...
I've also known producers who used ripped software that would lead you to believe they owned a studio full of pricey production gear.
It's how well you know what your program can do (capability) coupled with your musical gifts (ability).
- Apr 1, 2009 12:13am by dirge
I don't know about sounding better but they do sound different. My MPC sounds different than my Triton which sounds different than my Microkorg which sounds different than FLstudio coming out of the Mbox. I can put them all together, tweak the EQ (if I really have to) and it all meshes really well.
Software is a cheaper alternative to hardware. They essentially do the same. Software has more effects and memory capabilities (depending on your computer) but sometimes less is more. Limitations really stretch the imagination. Well, at least for me.
I have been making beats on software for years and felt that i wanted to "feel" the music a bit more. Not that you can't do that with midi controllers. It's pretty much apples and oranges.
Software speeds up the work flow for me so I started using everything together. I'm pro both software and hardware. They both get the job done!
That's my two pennies. LOL!
-Vrt
BTW, not to hijack the thread... I did enjoy this video. I like seeing how people work.
- Apr 5, 2009 11:33pm by Urban-Suburban Location: Kansas City, Kansas
[quote:c95a7bbdaa="dirge"]I don't know about sounding better but they do sound different. My MPC sounds different than my Triton which sounds different than my Microkorg which sounds different than FLstudio coming out of the Mbox. I can put them all together, tweak the EQ (if I really have to) and it all meshes really well.
Software is a cheaper alternative to hardware. They essentially do the same. Software has more effects and memory capabilities (depending on your computer) but sometimes less is more. Limitations really stretch the imagination. Well, at least for me.
I have been making beats on software for years and felt that i wanted to "feel" the music a bit more. Not that you can't do that with midi controllers. It's pretty much apples and oranges.
Software speeds up the work flow for me so I started using everything together. I'm pro both software and hardware. They both get the job done!
That's my two pennies. LOL!
-Vrt
BTW, not to hijack the thread... I did enjoy this video. I like seeing how people work.[/quote:c95a7bbdaa]
I hear you.. i guess it all depend on whos creating and whos listening
