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Topic: Where is the change, Obama? Hello?

1. Dec 6, 2008 05:19pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
   Change or More of the Same? Obama Introduces National Security Team President-elect Barack Obama named former rival Senator Hillary Clinton as secretary of state on Monday and said Robert Gates would remain defense secretary. Other nominees included retired General James Jones to be National Security Adviser and Susan Rice as ambassador to the United Nations. Is that change or more of the same? We speak with investigative journalist Robert Dreyfuss of The Nation magazine and Steven Clemons of the New America Foundation [includes rush transcript]. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/2/change_or_more_of_the_same Robert Dreyfuss, investigative reporter and contributing editor at The Nation magazine. He is author of "Devil"s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam." Steven Clemons, Senior Fellow at the New America Foundation where he directs the American Strategy Program. Rush Transcript This transcript is available free of charge. However, donations help us provide closed captioning for the deaf and hard of hearing on our TV broadcast. Thank you for your generous contribution. Donate - $25, $50, $100, More... AMY GOODMAN: President-elect Barack Obama officially introduced his national security team at a news conference in Chicago yesterday in announcing the Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to be Secretary of State, Defense Secretary Robert Gates to continue in office and retired Marine General James Jones to serve as National Security Adviser. Obama selected the core group of people who will be in charge of foreign policy decisions in his administration. Obama praised their qualifications and record of service in government and civilian life. BARACK OBAMA: In their past service in plans for the future, these men and women represent all of those elements of American power in the very best of the American example. They have served in uniform and as diplomats, they’ve worked as legislators, law enforcement officials, and executives. They share my pragmatism about the use of power and my sense of purpose about America’s role as a leader in the world. AMY GOODMAN: After Obama’s introduction, each cabinet nominee gave brief remarks. The first was Senator Hillary Clinton. If confirmed as Secretary of State, she’ll be the nation’s top diplomat in the Obama administration. HILLARY CLINTON: By electing Barack Obama our next President, the American people have demanded not just a new direction at home, but a new effort to renew America’s standing in the world as a force for positive change. We know our security, our values, and our interests cannot be protected and advanced by force alone. Nor, indeed, by Americans alone. We must pursue vigorous diplomacy using all the tools we can muster to build a future with more partners and fewer adversaries. More opportunities and fewer dangers. For all who seek freedom, peace, and prosperity. AMY GOODMAN: Obama asked that Robert Gates remain secretary of defense, a post he has held since late 2006 when he was topped by President Bush to replace Donald Rumsfeld. Prior to that, Gates served as director of the CIA under President George H.W. Bush. Questions have swirled around his involvement in the Iran contra scandal and his roles on the U.S. government’s arming of Saddam Hussein in the 1980s. Yesterday’s news conference, he thanked Obama for his offer to continue as Defense Secretary. ROBERT GATES: I am deeply honored that the President-elect has asked me to continue as Secretary of Defense. Mindful that we are engaged in two wars and face other serious challenges at home and around the world and with a profound sense of personal responsibility to and for our men and women in uniform and their families, I must do my duty as they do theirs. How could I do otherwise? AMY GOODMAN: Obama introduced retired Marine General James Jones as his national security adviser. Jones is the former supreme allied commander of NATO. He now sits on the board of Chevron and is president and chief executive of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Institute for 21st Century Energy. The institute has been criticized by environmental groups for, among other things, calling for the immediate expansion of domestic oil and gas production and issuing reports that challenged the use of the Clean Air Act to combat global warming. Jones thanked Obama for selecting him as his national security adviser. JAMES JONES: As has previously been mentioned, national security in the 21st century comprises a portfolio which includes all elements of our national power and influence. Working in coordination and harmony toward the desired goal of keeping our nation safe, helping to make our world a better place, and providing opportunity to live in peace and security for the generations to follow. I am deeply humbled and deeply appreciative of this great opportunity. AMY GOODMAN: Among his other Cabinet selections, Obama also named Susan Rice as his ambassador to the United Nations. Rice served as a senior foreign policy aide to Obama during his campaign. Under the Clinton administration, Rice worked for the National Security Council and the State Department. At yesterday’s news conference, she outlined some of the challenges that lay ahead. SUSAN RICE: With your election, President elect, the American people have signaled to the world, that our nation is on the path to change. Now we must fulfill that promise by joining with others, to meet the challenges and seize the opportunities of the 21st century. To prevent conflict, to promote peace, combat terrorism, prevent the spread and use of nuclear weapons, tackle climate change, and genocide, fight poverty and disease. AMY GOODMAN: For more on Obama’s national security team we are joined by two guests in Washington DC. Robert Dreyfuss is an investigative reporter and contributing editor at The Nation magazine. His blog at The Drefuss Report is at the nation.com. Steven Clemons is a Senior Fellow at the New America Foundation where he directs the American Strategy Program. He runs the popular blog The Wasgington Note.com. We welcome you both to DemocracyNow! Steve Clemons, let’s begin with you. Your assessment to the national security team, starting with Hilary Clinton, and Robert Gates, and James Jones? STEVEN CLEMONS: Is certainly is a fascinating trio. When you take all of them together, it has created some grief on some parts of the liberal political establishments. They were saying, hey, wait, didn’t we elect Barack Obama, not a Clintonized version of him? I encourage people to take a step back. Because one of my concerns in the campaign was that frequently, as my friend Bob Meyers pointed out, Obama kind of carved out a McCain-like position on Pakistan, on the role and future of the Pentagon. He actually wanted to increase the size of the military force, etc. I think we are going to see a lot of Pentagon hugging strategies from this group. What is interesting though, it is not a status quo preserving group. I think if you were to imagine some of the big Nixon goes to China moments that this country needs, particularly with Iran, with countries like Cuba, delivering on Syria and getting on a Libya- like tracks, this team seems to me more able to do that kind of thing than many other assemblies. And so while I know that Hillary Clinton during the campaign was very much an advocate of coercive diplomacy, something that I thought she talked too little about carrots and too much about sticks, I do think that she has to rewire herself and have a makeover, essentially, in much the way Obama has. Obama is not the same guy who ran during the election. We are seeing a very different Obama today. To some degree, I think we are going to see a different Hillary Clinton. Just in quick conclusion: the problem with this team, is it is very big guns. If Barack Obama takes his eye off the ball for a moment, if he is not engaged with these people for a moment, if he allows any distance to grow between himself and what he issues as national security policy in these big changes he wants to achieve, I think we are going to end up with a paralyzed national security team. In many ways it is a brilliant move, but it is hugely risky. AMY GOODMAN: Robert Dreyfuss, your assessment? ROBERT DREYFUSS: I agree with many things Steve said, but it is important to point out that the people who are not named, the people were not picked by Obama or the people who were not on the stage yesterday with the president elect. There was nobody there from the anti-war wing of the Democratic party. There were none of the liberal Senators or even people like Jim Webb who spoke out against the war. John Kerry and Al Gore were not there. Bill Richardson was not there. You can go down a long list of people who he did not choose. Instead, he chose what the Wall Street Journal and many other publications are calling a war cabinet. The problem is, in order to fulfill his central campaign promise, which is to get our troops out of Iraq, he is going to have to do some direct hand-to-hand combat with people like Robert Gates and General Petraeus who has political ambitions of his own, Admiral Mullen at the Joint Chief and elsewhere, who are going to be urging him to slow down, to take a step back, to relax, and not mess up the search that Gates has spent the last two years overseeing. I think he’ll be under a lot of pressure from the national security team that he himself is creating, to slow down the withdrawal from Iraq. He certainly left the door open for that. More generally, he pledged during the campaign to escalate the war in Afghanistan, which I think the rest of his team is fully in support of. Certainly, Robert Gates and general Petraeus have endorsed the notion of adding another 20,000 to 25,000 troops to that failed war, which I think is another catastrophically bad decision. He may find himself turning what had been Bush’s failed war in Afghanistan into his own failed war, especially if he carries it over across the border into Afghanistan. I think the problem here is that the Obama that tilted to the right during the election campaign, supposedly to protect himself against Republican criticism, in fact, turns out to be the real Obama. When he says, change comes from me, we are seeing the kind of change he believes in by appointing this centrist pro-military cabinet. That means In effect, that means it is change, that they’re not neoconservatives, certainly they are not going to look like John Bolton and Paul Wolfowitz and Doug Feif, but it will look very much like the national security establishment of the Cold War and the post cold war 90’s. AMY GOODMAN: We will take a break and come back to this discussion. Our guests are Robert Dreyfuss with the Nation, he is author of “Devil’s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam”. We’re also talking to Steven Clemons, senior fellow at the New America Foundation. We’ll be back in a moment. [Music Break] AMY GOODMAN: Our guests are Robert Dreyfuss of the Nation and Steven Clemons at the New America Foundation, talking about the new – well what people are calling the war cabinet. In fact, just looking at the numbers, there were 130 members of the House, 23 members of the Senate who voted against war. Barack Obama did not choose one of them to be in his Cabinet. I wanted to asked Steven Clemons about Jim Jones, about the new National Security Adviser who he has chosen. Looking at a piece in the Los Angeles Times today, he is on the board of–this is General Jim Jones–he is on the board of Chevron and Boeing and has been President and Chief Executive of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Institute for 21st Century Energy, which as been criticized by environmental groups. “They have a reprehensible record,” said Frank O’Donnell-the outspoken leader of Clean Air Watch- of the institute led by Jones. The institute calls for the immediate expansion of domestic oil and gas production, nuclear energy and clean coal technology, in addition to investment in renewable and alternative energy sources. O’Donnell criticized institute reports under Jones that challenged the use of the Clean Air Act to combat global warming and the right of states such as California to impose environmental standards that go beyond those set by the federal government. O’Donnell said “Since global warming is a security threat, this election raises a real eyebrow”. He asks, “Will Jones be predisposed to compromise the new administration’s environmental agenda both at home in the international arena? Stay tuned.” Steven Clemons? STEVEN CLEMONS: Oh I think it is a legitimate question. There is no doubt General Jones is a leading member of what you would classically call in Eisenhower’s sense, the military-industrial complex. Barack Obama is making a very conscious decision to bring in someone like Jones who has a sort of profile he does with Chevron and Boeing with large firms that are part of the defense industry. He also has other parts of this profile where as you mentioned, Supreme Commander of NATO he was the Middle East envoy for defense- sort of looking at national security issues from the Middle East region. And so, when you look at any one of the profiles, you can move on Hillary Clinton, or even Bob Gates, I think Bob Dreyfuss characterized Bob Gates pretty well,–I think that Gates is an unusual choice. I was prepared to oppose him staying on for a variety of reasons. Mostly because why would you want a guy who played a certain important role in out-Cheneying Cheney in my view, in the Bush Administration. Why would you want that sort of constraint in a new forward leaping, forward looking Obama cabinet? But, I’ve grown in a different direction— AMY GOODMAN: What do mean out-Cheneying Cheney? STEVEN CLEMONS: Well I think that one of the things both Jones and Gates have, which is in the positive column for them, is that they understand the national security inter-agency decision making process virtually better than anyone else, and they can crunch out the kind of ambiguity that people like David Addington and Vice President Cheney, John Hannah who was one of Cheney’s National Security Advisers, and others, use to exploit to move their agenda. You found people like Stephen Hadley and Condi Rice very, very poor at generating that kind of understanding of both presidential priorities, established White House policy, and in that ambiguity that is where we got hatched the Iraq war in my view and some other very misguided steps that got this country very close to new sets of wars, particularly with Iran most recently, that didn’t happen. So I think, to some degree, we owe Gates something for keeping us from tilting over the edge again with Iran. But why would you want that in the Obama cabinet? Why would you want someone like Jim Jones who is sort of representing the oil industry and the military-industrial complex? That- it tells me that on one hand Obama is not putting them there to deal with climate change. That will not be part of their portfolio. The only reason they make sense is if Obama does anything strong with regards to re-changing and reshaping America’s strategic position with the Middle East and trying to get us on a different railroad track with certain key countries, like China, Russia and Iran. Otherwise, this team makes no sense at all. So the other issues that are part of their portfolios, certainly I agree are problematic, but that doesn’t seem to me to be why they are there as part of Obama’s team. I think that he’s had a fear, particularly given his positions in saying he would meet some of the world’s leading sort of thugs, if you will, and believed in engagement. I thought that was one of Obama’s greater strengths. I thought we do need some game changing moves in the strategic position of America and we do need to talk to our enemies as well as to our friends. I think he is afraid of being called the appeaser in chief if he really began moving. I began to fear frankly- one of the things that hasn’t been talked about- what if he brought in a lot of the people that Bob Dreyfuss suggested should be part of that cabinet? I think Obama would have to go out and bomb a small country or something to show he was tough and had the ability to deploy force, so he could then say, now I can still began talking about, you know a different direction with Raul Castro, a different the Supreme Leader Khamenei in Iran… AMY GOODMAN: Let me get a comment from Robert Dreyfuss on that. ROBERT DREYFUSS: Well, there are a few things to say here. First of all, there is a connection between national security and energy, and General Jones is at the very heart of that. When he was at NATO as the NATO commander, he did what he could to steer NATO in the direction of taking on responsibility of out-of-area action in regard to securing energy supplies, which points NATO in the same direction that the Bush Administration and of course many other administrations have gone in terms of taking military responsibility for the Persian Gulf and Central Asia, which is really what the aftermath of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is going to be about. To the extent the United States believes and NATO believes that it is responsible for securing that part of the world and protecting energy supplies. It is not necessarily a cooperative approach where we then go to the big energy users like Japan and China and India and talk to Russia as well about a cooperative effort to stabilize that part of the world, but a more unilateral one. That’s a concern The second point I would make, is that the people of the next levels down at both the State and Defense Department, is going to be very very important. And there is no indication at all the Barack Obama intends to oversee that process. Who Robert Gates keeps on at the Defense Department including some fairly troubling characters in important posts there, is something that we’re going to have to watch very closely., and as well at the state department, whether Hillary Clinton turns to people, including some of the muscular democratic hawks like Richard Holbrooke and in particular Dennis Ross, who is now ensconced at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which is an AIPAC spin-of, and brings these people in to help run the State Department is another big question. So, there’s a lot of aspects of managing a huge foreign policy apparatus that cannot reside in the hands of Barack Obama alone. He is not going to do this, change will not come from him personally except in the broadest outline. The implementation of foreign policy is going to come from the people that he picks. The last, I would say is he hasn’t picked anyone yet for the intelligence posts. That’s another case where, well he’s leading towards Admiral Blair who’s another component of the military-industrial complex. But the fact he hasn’t picked an intelligence person tells us again something important about the approach he’s going to take. Because the intelligence system in the United States has traditionally been a bastion of opposition to neoconservative ideology. And, I think there’s a lot of people who will be elbowing to make sure that he does not pick someone in that job who might speak out against some of those policies… AMY GOODMAN: Its been interesting watching the networks now. I can’t figure out who is more laudatory in the discussions on the networks, the Democrats or Republicans, of Barack Obama’s choices. There is hardly any debate around this. I want to see what you think of this, Robert Dreyfuss, Steve Zunes piece on Alternet saying Hilary Clinton “..allied herself with the Bush Administration and many of its most controversial actions, such as the 2003 invasion of Iraq, threats of war against Iran, support for Israel’s 2006 offensive against Lebanon and 2002 offensive in the West Bank, opposition to the International Criminal Court, attacks against the International Court of Justice, and support for the unrestricted export of cluster bombs and other anti-personnel munitions used against civilian targets”. ROBERT DREYFUSS: Well, it is true that she supported all those things. In part, though, the trauma of 9/11 shifted politics radically toward the right and a lot of people–and I’m not excusing Clinton’s decisions, but a lot of people got caught up in that avalanche period. Obama distinguished himself by not being caught up in it. I think the fact that Clinton supported that long litany of things, is troubling to me and to many other people who are hoping for a clean break, to use a term of art of the Bush Administration got caught up in, to make a clean break with a lot of those past policies. I think its going to be difficult for him to execute that pivot. I think its going to be a battle on many of these issues with Senator Clinton to make sure that she stays on message. AMY GOODMAN: You have written about it possibly being a moment for Barack Obama to distinguish himself outside of the Cabinet he has chosen, that people could possibly be expecting this. ROBERT DREYFUSS: I think people put too much faith in Barack Obama the person. I think he is asked us to make the leap of faith in thinking he can be the embodiment of the change of people have been hoping for. In fact, it cannot be done by one person. In fact, it is not clear yet that Barack Obama is the person to bring that change. I think the message of this war cabinet he has named is that critics of the Bush Administration policy and people in the peace and justice movements are going to have to continue to mobilize, that it is not a time to relax. It is a time for demonstrations and letter writing and grassroots of activities to make sure what we hope to be more responsive to administration to those kinds of activities will start to pay attention to them or as with the Bush Administration, we were clearly knocking on a locked door. AMY GOODMAN: What about Susan Rice? Your assessment of Susan Rice as the UN Ambassador? Lets go to Steve Clemons on that. STEVE CLEMONS: I think Susan Rice is a believer in coercive set of tools as well. She is well known for after Rwanda and after other comments about significant genocide moments that she would advocate strong military intervention. I think she is a conscientious part of the global justice part of the foreign-policy community today that is very focused on climate change, poverty, remediation in the world, dealing with disease and aids and development’s nuclear non- proliferation—the sorts of issues that do not fit neatly into the plastic geostrategic sorts of issues that I think Bob Gates and Jim Jones and to some degree Hillary Clinton in part represent. And so I think she is going to be quite talented and important for the United States and restoring a least a sense of commitment to these big, broad international issues. One of the problems that Barack Obama is courting is that people like Susan and Tony Lake to some degree represent a kind of liberal interventionism, if you will. To some degree, there is a crowd of folks in the democratic foreign-policy establishment which are either the structural realists, where I think I would put myself, that think the America’s national security position has been so eroded that you have to be very cautious before throwing military force at any other issue in the world today because we’ve got to fundamentally rethink our engagement and move much more cautiously. Then there is of values driven crowd, which I think is often focused on very good and important objectives but they do not quite know how to get there and they do not often set the sorts of priorities that I think help deliver that and to some degree, we saw that with the neoconservative establishment reckless in that case, deploying force recklessly and I think Susan, to some degree, belongs to this crowd that wants to achieve great objectives in the world, but my view is that I think she needs to work a bit more on the game plan to get there. But overall, I think it is very wise for Barack Obama to send someone who is so committed to these issues to the United Nations to represent us there. It is a huge step over someone like John Bolten in the past. AMY GOODMAN: Robert Dreyfuss, we just have thirty seconds. Do you think we will see anti-were protests at the inauguration as we saw with president bush? ROBERT DREYFUSS: Oh I am sure there will be some protesters, but I do not think the country is prepared for any kind of mass movement yet. I think it will be small and contained. I think to a more likely see an outpouring of tremendous support. In fact, Washington is preparing for may be as many as 2 million more people to come and celebrate the inauguration I think we’re not yet at this stage for people have woken up to the fact the struggle continues and that the millennium is not here yet. AMY GOODMAN: Robert Dreyfuss of The Nation Magazine, author of “Devil’s Game” and Steven Clemons of New America foundation, thank you. 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2. Dec 14, 2008 01:31am by thePhantom* - Vessel for the muse. http://phantastic.me
   Interesting to already critique a man that aint even president yet. Dig.
3. Dec 15, 2008 05:12pm by Adru
   alright nobody take to much offense to this,BUT... is it just me or does he look like a white man in black face? shit,ima go listen to some little brother
4. Dec 15, 2008 08:47pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
   [quote:cc36aed011="Adru"]alright nobody take to much offense to this,BUT... is it just me or does he look like a white man in black face? shit,ima go listen to some little brother[/quote:cc36aed011] Wondering why you feel that way. Because niggas can't be educated? Or speak without using slang? I dunno, lets see you, him and I, take a trip down to Alabama or Mississippi and see if we can walk through the rural areas without anyone calling us names, or 2 out of 3 of us, damn near getting lynched. I sure they (rednecks) don't think and feel the same way. You feel me? Don't take offense to this either though. I love it when people who aint Black, try to define what is and what isn't Black enough. However, I do agree with Tubesteak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfpfIM-hcwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcybjAXl3wU [quote:cc36aed011="the Phantom"] Interesting to already critique a man that aint even president yet. Dig.[/quote:cc36aed011] Checks and Balances, Keep him in check. 😆
5. Dec 15, 2008 10:02pm by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
   [quote:b3561f6fd7="AceFadal"] Wondering why you feel that way. Because niggas can't be educated? Or speak without using slang? [/quote:b3561f6fd7] Well technically .... once you become educated you cease being a nigga.
6. Dec 16, 2008 03:00am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
   [quote:68cb8117f5="DR.T"][quote:68cb8117f5="AceFadal"] Wondering why you feel that way. Because niggas can't be educated? Or speak without using slang? [/quote:68cb8117f5] Well technically .... once you become educated you cease being a nigga.[/quote:68cb8117f5] I will rephrase. He is an "Uncle Tom" or/and acts or seems "White" because he has an education and speaks proper? KRS-1, Chuck D, and the RZA are my Main Niggas! H.N.I.C.s if you will.
7. Dec 16, 2008 04:54am by phism
   i don't understand people suddenly questioning obama's blackness. it's not like he was kunta kinte in the first place.
8. Dec 26, 2008 07:59pm by Adru
   uhhh...yea...nobody was questioning anybodys "blackness",mr .revolutionary.i was simply making a statement of what the mans face looks like.and how he allows it to be airbrushed.we can get on some much more serious shit if you want son. or just talk to me in 4 years.we're supposed to be on the same side.what the fucks up kids asses (edit*tubesteak,i guess*) now adays,go get some riddilin.by the way-your beats arent nearly as dope as you seem to think they are.sorry.
9. Dec 26, 2008 08:04pm by Adru
   by the way,i'd talk more shit to them rednecks than both of you combined and tell them to try and lynch me.im too strong for death.why you think im white?my complexion?check my roots son...or just look at my facial features and asiatic eyes.octorroon skintones-nas
10. Dec 27, 2008 06:28am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:c82bfdbac8="Adru"]uhhh...yea...nobody was questioning anybodys "blackness",mr .revolutionary.i was simply making a statement of what the mans face looks like.and how he allows it to be airbrushed.we can get on some much more serious shit if you want son. or just talk to me in 4 years.we're supposed to be on the same side.what the fucks up kids asses (edit*tubesteak,i guess*) now adays,go get some riddilin.by the way-your beats arent nearly as dope as you seem to think they are.sorry.[/quote:c82bfdbac8] Really? You think that he actually ask people to airbrush him? Or do you think people who are haters or wish he was lighter do it themselves? And how are we supposed to know what you mean? Put some bass in your voice. First off...Are you in the Producer Challenge? If no, then.... off the dick with thee, about beats, you ain't gettin the ones I promised you and still props and respect to J.Quest second... [img:c82bfdbac8]http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6808/capture2zg7.jpg[/img:c82bfdbac8] [img:c82bfdbac8]http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5540/capture3wv6.jpg[/img:c82bfdbac8] [img:c82bfdbac8]http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3221/capture4ax0.jpg[/img:c82bfdbac8] [img:c82bfdbac8]http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1627/capture1sc1.jpg[/img:c82bfdbac8] [img:c82bfdbac8]http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3629/capturesq9.jpg[/img:c82bfdbac8] I love Windows Vista Screen capture third. I know people crazier than you. I grew up here. you dig? My whole huge ass, Crazy-ass family lives here dig? 32 cousins in Olathe alone (over16, young and influential) dig? They will [u:c82bfdbac8]ride[/u:c82bfdbac8] to Lawrence, for a couple of XBOX games, and a rock or a sack, don't get it pretzeled son... Calm down, take your meds, and cut it out now. Please! You sound like an idiot, worse than me and thats bad...
11. Dec 27, 2008 06:29am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:03253b235f="Adru"]by the way,i'd talk more shit to them rednecks than both of you combined and tell them to try and lynch me.im too strong for death.why you think im white?my complexion?check my roots son...or just look at my facial features and asiatic eyes.octorroon skintones-nas[/quote:03253b235f] If you wanna make this about that then....... You will never be a nigga! [size=24:03253b235f][color=red:03253b235f]EVER![/color:03253b235f][/size:03253b235f] we don't want the A-alikes........ unless you this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJzZmGi1-aY you will neva be.... [b:03253b235f]RBG!![/b:03253b235f] You need to watch this three times a day... PEACE!!! FYI over beats....we can battle any time..myspace, youtube, facebook hiphopkc..whatever... I got a show at a spot in February, we can battle the whole show if you want, In front of KC, LIVE Son! I will murk you on the pads, on stage, in my city, on beats! I wiill make a live beat onstage, against anything you got. [b:03253b235f]what?[/b:03253b235f] [img:03253b235f]http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/33/m_b4dacfc871584e01a6e9ab6b64542d82.gif[/img:03253b235f] Let the people decide, you can even pick the crowd, sorta.. Beat Street style or Wing Chun(6 years), yes I know a dojo we can spar in, so lets end this convo here...k? no mas dissin, si whey? Peace Salem Shalom whatever, just calm down and stop taking everything so serious and personal. WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE!!! IF YOU GHETTO YOU WOULD KNOW THIS!!!! HELLO? YOUR "SKIN COLOR"(remember, he brought it up) IS SHOWING RIGHT NOW? AND I DON'T DOUBT YOU WOULD TALK TO THOSE REDNECK FKKERS, CAUSE THEY ARE IN YOUR FAM? OR IS THAT YOU? Cause Real Down Ass Caucasion Niggas, know how hard its been for a brotha... (I know alot, (cool white guys) you aint it son)And real Brothas can smell a RAT!! DIG? Don't Pretzel shit. You confusing people. You are hard, okay? We believe you, Okay? Here is an internet hug from Ass Fatal. [img:03253b235f]http://blog.tapuz.co.il/inbarella/images/560362_153.jpg[/img:03253b235f] Transcend, Mature, Grow Up. Its not your fault. FIN peas af also, you are wrong for dis-respecting Necia, for this and on this site. Have No Couth!? This is why abortion should stay legal.
12. Dec 27, 2008 03:48pm by Adru
    transend,teleport,and eat a dick... you obviously have never truly listened or HEARD my music,OBVIOUSLY never took the time to TRY & have a conversation with me,or have the slightest solitary clue what im about KID....i've nearly given MY LIFE ,3 TIMES,standing up to crooked cops who fuck with me due to who i surround myself with and what i represent.and i've endured literal torture that you coudnt fathom at the hands of police and c.o.'s. as far as race-i found out 4 years ago when i met my mother for the first time that my grandfather was from a tribe called "melungeons"-a racist term in itself that stemmed from mulatto and engine....so along with native,black,REDNECK and spanish,i also have irish ,scotish,polish,and swedish in me.so save the shalom dickhead(whats a matter,you got problems with jews,too?go listen to some ill bill)that adds up to 8-otherwise known as octoroon..and the redneck part is poor white folk that migrated to the appalachian mountains shortly after slavery WITH recently freed slaves and some spaniards in the mix,and they all had a whole bunch of babies while trying to start their own society.they actually inbred up there,which may explain why i'm completely double jointed on the left side of my body.also,believing in spirits as i do,thats a whole lot of people in my family tree guiding me every step. on another note,dont ever question what i stand for,or my knowledge of who I AM.i'm willing to DIE for what i believe in,are you?i KNOW i'll come back in a higher,more powerful form.and im not concerned with fake revolutionary rbg dead prez rappers signed to major labels not doing nearly what they could be doing for their communities. as far as me being "ghetto"-i dont use that derogotory term or the n word you like to throw around.but i've lived in hoods you've never stepped a foot in yo...not to mention did my dirt there...which im not proud of. as far as beats-im not interested in making a spectacle of myself as you seem to be,but keep an ear out for my new album really soon,and video... the more you talk the more you play yourself. power to the people,lift a fist to this oh,and sorry,i cant afford a computer so i dont have calvin and hobbes stock photos..that was cute though BY THE WAY-DO YOU REALIZE THIS ALL STEMMED FROM ME MAKING A JOKE OF BARRACK OBAMA AIRBRUSHED COMMEMERATIVE PLATES? and one more time-i'm not caucasion......abortion is for pussies
13. Dec 27, 2008 03:52pm by Adru
    send anyone you want to lawrence man...thats hillarious 2549 redbud ln apt 4
14. Dec 27, 2008 04:07pm by grassnasty Location: overland park
    im half italian!!! my foods better than ALL of yours!!! MUAHAHAHA!!!
15. Dec 27, 2008 06:43pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:bb73969d15="Adru"]transend,teleport,and eat a dick... you obviously have never truly listened or HEARD my music,OBVIOUSLY never took the time to TRY & have a conversation with me,or have the slightest solitary clue what im about KID[/quote:bb73969d15] Actually I did. I also told you that it would be an honor to do music with a gifted vocalist and writer, I was very cordial. I tried to get at you because you asked me for music. The proof is in the post. Check your inbox, I posted mine... and even in that aspect, you came at me like a dick. I still stayed cool with you. Real? or Real WTF mane? [quote:bb73969d15="Adru"] ....i've nearly given MY LIFE ,3 TIMES,standing up to crooked cops who fuck with me due to who i surround myself with and what i represent.and i've endured literal torture that you coudnt fathom at the hands of police and c.o.'s.[/quote:bb73969d15] So What? Whaaahh Are you crying? Everybody got problems, you act like you the only little nigga got problems. My little brother got locked up, and was in and out of jail, for being with some dude who shot up a party with a shotgun. He didn't do shit, He just got out last year. Hes 22 now. He went in at 17. Shut up! get over it. Teach the Babies, how not to turn out fucked in the head like you and me. [quote:bb73969d15="Adru"] as far as race-i found out 4 years ago when i met my mother for the first time that my grandfather was from a tribe called "melungeons"-a racist term in itself that stemmed from mulatto and engine....so along with native,black,REDNECK and spanish,i also have irish ,scotish,polish,and swedish in me.so save the shalom dickhead(whats a matter,you got problems with jews,too?go listen to some ill bill)[/quote:bb73969d15] So I say Peace and you ask if I have a problem? The meaning of "Shalom" The Hebrew word SHALOM is understood around the world to mean peace. I also said Salem, so I guess I have a problem with Arabs and Muslims too. [quote="Adru"]that adds up to 8-otherwise known as octoroon..and the redneck part is poor white folk that migrated to the appalachian mountains shortly after slavery WITH recently freed slaves and some spaniards in the mix,and they all had a whole bunch of babies while trying to start their own society.they actually inbred up there,which may explain why i'm completely double jointed on the left side of my body.also,believing in spirits as i do,thats a whole lot of people in my family tree guiding me every step.[quote] You are not very spiritual. If you are you need to meditate. I don't know a Buddhist Monk, ....that would even entertain your perverted mind. [quote="Adru"]on another note,dont ever question what i stand for,or my knowledge of who I AM.i'm willing to DIE for what i believe in,are you?[quote] Nor Do You know me. I will Kill for what I believe in. [quote="Adru"]i KNOW i'll come back in a higher,more powerful form.and im not concerned with fake revolutionary rbg dead prez rappers signed to major labels not doing nearly what they could be doing for their communities[quote] What do you do for your community? Seriously, Im and AIDS peer advocate, I teach kids about (safer) sex. I donate time to helping children learn how to read, I hepled at a soup kitchen this holiday. what did you do? Start internet beefs? Start arguments about your new nigga president, on some thread jack, read my mind, and enter my thoughts shit? [quote="Adru"]as far as me being "ghetto"[quote] The term 'ghetto' was originally used to refer to the Venetian Ghetto in Venice, Italy where Jews were forced to live. [quote="Adru"]Actually a -i dont use that derogotory term or the n word you like to throw around.but i've lived in hoods you've never stepped a foot in yo...not to mention did my dirt there...which im not proud of.[quote] Nigga is an epitaph that I embrace, I don't expect you to understand it. I don't want you to either. [quote="Adru"]as far as beats-im not interested in making a spectacle of myself as you seem to be,but keep an ear out for my new album really soon,and video... the more you talk the more you play yourself. power to the people,lift a fist to this[quote] Garvey, Malcolm, and Huey would all laugh at you. You couldn't hold a convo.... [quote="Adru"]oh,and sorry,i cant afford a computer so i dont have calvin and hobbes stock photos..that was cute though[quote] I just googled hug, it sounded like you needed one. and still do. Its not your fault. [quote="Adru"]BY THE WAY-DO YOU REALIZE THIS ALL STEMMED FROM ME MAKING A JOKE OF BARRACK OBAMA AIRBRUSHED COMMEMERATIVE PLATES? [quote:bb73969d15] This is the first time in this whole post you said anything about that plate shit. I have two of them. I like them alot, they are in the china cabinet next to the Sanford and Son Painted Spoons. [quote="Adru"]and one more time-i'm not caucasion......abortion is for pussies[/quote:bb73969d15] It (fetus killin) literally is for vagina, but it should be for dicks! again PEACE! Its not your fault. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGgWf2lacM
16. Dec 27, 2008 10:10pm by Adru
    do you think i dont know what shalom is bitch?barach attah adanoi ellu henu mellech halum va mitvah tov shel shabbat-i was nearly fluent in hebrew at 6 years old when i lived in isreal and floated in the dead sea.lakem salam...you think i dont know the term ghetto stemmed from jewish projects?what you take me for?while you were doing your good deeds,i was in jail for standing up for my rights,and then eating at a fucking soup kitchen.im not spiritual?i PRAY to malcom.this convo ends now....you think im fake?you think im pussy?fuck your fake ass wanna be do gooder ass faggot.i've lived this shit my whole life...and i can go into any hood in america cause i know the codes,and i know how to conduct myself.i've been locked with some of the realest gangstas and criminals young and old kc,topeka,junction city,and manhattan....all of KANSAS has ever seen.and they always end up loving me.you would be just another pussy sitting in a corner under your blanket praying for it to end.i got people doing life in rikers.i got gd's coast to coast.i got my man soul mutt locking down the mixtape game coast to coast just so he can get me up there.you dont know a goddamn thiong about me,life,respect,hip hop.......my people,my FRIENDS...or for that matter huey,malcom,leonard pelteir,assata shakur,abbie hoffman,george jackson,fred hampton,angela davis,gahndi or who ever the fuck else i read up on on a daily basis...aint nobody crying,bitch.....this is redemption from here on out.hate me or hate me,i crush everything you do and aspire to be...fake ass revolutioaries.fuck this.............beef free zone!once again,this site is pussy-i only got back on it so quick because i know you live on the internet,boy...... and yo,on some real shit=-try being hogtied naked in a cell with cuffs so tight you think your hands are falling off and you have numb feet 10 years later..after having your throat stomped on and nearly suffacated to death with pepper spray...(and thats just the beginning)and see if you dont shed a tear or two.but that'll never happen to you-cause you dont have the heart.talk to me in ten years.i wrote you that message before i knew what a hyppocrite you are.why you think you get absolutely no love on here?you dont even wanna know who i got lined up for my next album.then i'm gonna flip it on some curt cobain meets portishead shit,win a grammy,and throw it in dave grohles grill. this is retarded son,get a life
17. Dec 28, 2008 04:47am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:b2875f047b="Adru"] this is retarded son,get a life[/quote:b2875f047b] I never said any of those things, you wanna try to put in my mouth. I truly feel for you. Honestly man. I had a good childhood dunny, sorry..... Even without a father. I stayed out of deep shit. Truly blessed. I'm burning Incense and trees for you right now. Even pour out some of this Jameson for you. btw. F*gg0t is a disgusting word, coined by Hitler. He used it to describe a pile of burnt Jewish bodies. Its worse than or just like saying kike or nigger. You've finally hit the bottom. I too am through adru-ssing you. May Buddah Bless you and the rest of your journey on this Earth. Salem Alekum and Zai Jain 再见 (Zay je-an)learn Chinese [img:b2875f047b]http://www.darshantkd.com/bow.jpg[/img:b2875f047b]
18. Dec 28, 2008 01:19pm by Seph.Vs.TooN.
    yawn, every few months. it's to small of a scene.
19. Dec 30, 2008 06:59am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    As I was saying...... I want to say, first of all, that we have to go back to the Warsaw Ghetto or Guernica to find crimes in the modern era of the scale of the viciousness and of the deliberateness of what Israel is committing with the full support of the United States, not just the Bush administration, but apparently as well the incoming [b:7348568fd1]Obama[/b:7348568fd1] administration. We have to recognize the complicity not just of the so-called international community, but also of the Arab regimes, Egypt, President Hosni Mubarak, the Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit of Egypt. Tzipi Livni, when she issued her threats against Gaza, was in Cairo in the biggest Arab capital, and Aboul Gheit stood next to her silently. Mahmoud Abbas is not a bystander, the so-called president of the Palestinian Authority. For two years since the elections, which Hamas won, he and his coterie have been collaborating with Israel and the United States, first to overthrow the election result and then to besiege Gaza. We have talked before of the Palestinian Contras, funded and armed by the United States, which sought to overthrow Hamas in June 2007 and had the tables turned on them. And now this. The complicity of Mahmoud Abbas is very clear and must be clearly stated. He does not have the authority, moral or otherwise, to call together the Palestinian people for anything. He has gone over to the other side. He has joined the Israeli war against the Palestinian people, and I choose my words very carefully. Israel is trying to produce and promote the fiction that it is engaged in a war with a so-called enemy entity. What Israel is doing is massacring a captive population. You heard how Nancy Pelosi, our so-called progressive, liberal, antiwar Speaker of the House, gave her full support to these crimes. [b:7348568fd1]Obama[/b:7348568fd1] has done the same through a spokesman. And that will not [b:7348568fd1]change[/b:7348568fd1]. The United Nations issued a weak statement aimed at covering the backsides, let me say, of those who issued it, not aimed at [b:7348568fd1]changing[/b:7348568fd1] the situation. What are Palestinians calling for today? Yesterday, the Palestinian National Committee for the Campaign for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions reissued and reaffirmed its call on all international civil society in the United States, in North America, in Europe, everywhere, to redouble the efforts for boycott, divestment and sanctions modeled on the anti-apartheid movement. This is necessary. This is moral. This is the nonviolent resistance we can all participate in. And it is more urgent than ever. Let’s not look back at these crimes like we look at the Warsaw Ghetto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto and like we look at Guernica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica and we look at the other atrocities of the twentieth century and say, “We had the chance to act, but we chose silence and complicity.” The time to stop this is now. And we also have to be clear that those who are accountable—Ehud Barak, his orders over the past few months to withhold insulin, chemotherapy drugs, dialysis supplies, all forms of medicine from the people of Gaza, were just as lethal and just as murderous as the orders to send in the bombers and warplanes to attack mosques, to attack universities. The Islamic University in Gaza is not a military site. It is a university with 18,000 students, 60 percent of them women. Last night, Israeli warplanes attacked a female dormitory in the Islamic University. This is what Israel is attacking. They attacked the fishing port. No food gets into Gaza. People can barely fish enough to sustain them, and Israel has attacked the fishing boats that sustains them. These are historic crimes, and we cannot be silent about them. And we have to continue this nonsense that there’s fault on both sides. We have a captive occupied population. 80 percent of the people in the Gaza Strip are refugees. 750,000 of them are children. Where else in the world can these crimes be committed while the world looks on, while our elected politicians in Congress, Democrats and Republicans, sit there applauding, when you see the shameful statement of Howard Berman, the Democrat chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, giving his full support to Israel? People have to stand up to this. We cannot sit on our hands anymore and say change is coming. [i:7348568fd1][b:7348568fd1]Change[/b:7348568fd1] is not coming unless we create it.[/i:7348568fd1] [i:7348568fd1][b:7348568fd1]Change[/b:7348568fd1] is not coming unless we create it.[/i:7348568fd1] [i:7348568fd1][b:7348568fd1]Change[/b:7348568fd1] is not coming unless we create it.[/i:7348568fd1] ALI ABUNIMAH.........author of [i:7348568fd1][u:7348568fd1]One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli-Palestinian Impasse[/u:7348568fd1][/i:7348568fd1] http://www.abunimah.org/ and co-founder of [i:7348568fd1][u:7348568fd1]The Electronic Intifada[/u:7348568fd1][/i:7348568fd1]. http://electronicintifada.net/ His latest piece is called ‘[i:7348568fd1][u:7348568fd1]We Have No Words Left[/u:7348568fd1][/i:7348568fd1]’ London’s Guardian newspaper. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/29/israeli_attacks_kill_over_310_in [quote:7348568fd1][color=yellow:7348568fd1][i:7348568fd1][b:7348568fd1][size=18:7348568fd1]"We have no words left Palestinians are at a loss to describe this latest catastrophe. International civil society must act now!" [/size:7348568fd1] [/b:7348568fd1][/i:7348568fd1][/color:7348568fd1][/quote:7348568fd1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/29/israel-gaza-attack-palestinian-reaction Power to [i:7348568fd1]those[/i:7348568fd1] People! [img:7348568fd1]http://terresdefemmes.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/guernica.jpg[/img:7348568fd1][i:7348568fd1][b:7348568fd1]by Pablo Picasso, showing the bombing of Guernica, Spain[/b:7348568fd1][/i:7348568fd1] [i:7348568fd1][b:7348568fd1]Change[/b:7348568fd1] is not coming unless we create it.[/i:7348568fd1] Hello?!
20. Jan 7, 2009 04:35pm by Adru
    i always have to get the last word...thanks for the blessings!!you dont want me to hit bottom,man....thats when my best comes out.i'm burning tires for you.yawn.:)
21. Jan 7, 2009 04:41pm by Adru
    by the way-lyrics written 3-4 months ago-- "....& dont think barrack got your best interests in mind/ he's still a politician/still gonna lock us in the system/ children still sittin in his prisons for proffit/ he can bring our boys home from war but see if he stop it/ man made appaocolypse,every major metropolis/ never expect a change unless YOU make it,fuck empty promises......" but im a satanist loon that has no idea what he's talking about...dont mind me,keep doing your thing.oh-try Evan Williams green lable whiskey instead of the playerific jameson-its what we poor folk drink,& it'll save you like 20 bucks for some record digging.
22. Jan 7, 2009 08:37pm by swayzorbladez - www.myspace.com/swayzorspitsbladez
    [quote:d3165e7cec="Adru"]oh-try Evan Williams green lable whiskey instead of the playerific jameson-its what we poor folk drink,& it'll save you like 20 bucks for some record digging.[/quote:d3165e7cec] i hear that!
23. Jan 7, 2009 09:57pm by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing www.dipity.com/acefadal WE ARE, Kansas City is [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]! http://crushproofstudio.bandcamp.com/ Location: Downtown, Kansas City, Mo.
    [quote:33a07e075e="swayzorbladez"][quote:33a07e075e="Adru"]oh-try Evan Williams green lable whiskey instead of the playerific jameson-its what we poor folk drink,& it'll save you like 20 bucks for some record digging.[/quote:33a07e075e] i hear that![/quote:33a07e075e] I was done but...... What if you have good friends, that buy you good booze? Do you know about that? Do you have friends? I work in a place where people GLADLY spend money on Cris and Dom? the Helzbergs, the Halls, the J.E. Dunns....I feed them folks.....So life iz good, for me. DIG? Im what "they" call an anomaly a⋅nom⋅a⋅ly    /əˈnɒməli/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-nom-uh-lee] Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -lies. 1. a deviation from the common rule, type, arrangement, or form. 2. someone or something anomalous: With his quiet nature, he was an anomaly in his exuberant family. 3. an odd, peculiar, or strange condition, situation, quality, etc. 4. an incongruity or inconsistency. 5. Astronomy. a quantity measured in degrees, defining the position of an orbiting body with respect to the point at which it is nearest to or farthest from its primary. 6. Meteorology. the amount of deviation of a meteorological quantity from the accepted normal value of that quantity. 7. Grammar. irregularity. What if you don't smoke rock or have never had a police boot in your neck..... So what? Is that HipHop? Is that positive? You sound like Curtis, braggin bout being shot. Well I'm the ODB of this shit. I dont give a fuck and I've been shot ( and shot at) more than you 50c. I also live the good life...... You know normal just being a human being shit? Huh? You Are ILL son. in the HIV way, !no bueno! !no bueno! !no bueno! You are Linda Tripp to me..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrQwvEVtMw [img:33a07e075e]http://i.pbase.com/u42/deanzat/large/27468549.Whatever.jpg[/img:33a07e075e] Off the dick with you....you like the taste huh? address me if you do. I I I I love me some Ass Fatal Edit... And right when I finished this....My girl brought me a graphic adaptation of Howard Zinn's, History of American Empire...The American Empire Project.. Karma, Fate, and Positive Energy revolution really exist. You get what you put out.....Suka Choose Your Own Destiny! Im in control f mine! Im done with you, Adru, Bad energy!
24. Jan 8, 2009 04:21pm by Adru
    lol...i love it.get off here and go make some beats son. i talk about my experiences so kids can learn from my mistakes. that should be obvious. which is aslo why i go to school for social work.as for my grammar,well,i dunno..i got an A in freshman comp,so i must've done something write. amd no,i have no friends at all.... 🙄 oh wait-lyrics from my joint "vintage"-..."something, something.. I'm toxically sick/Adru the Anomolie,BITCH"