Topic: Whats the Difference?
- Sep 15, 2008 01:29am by DR.T - nuts .. haha Location: KCMO
The other day, a guy made an interesting statement that made me think about some stuff... he said
"....Silas, you really don't produce, you just make beats..."
so i was kinda like y'know....."well what do YOU know about anything.
But I started thinking like...am I just a beatmaker?
[b:743e2af30a]So what do yall think about all that mess[/b:743e2af30a]... [b:743e2af30a]what makes an average bum with an mpc, a beat maker and not a producer[/b:743e2af30a]......
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- Sep 15, 2008 03:50am by Distorted_Mastermind - I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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Who cares if you enjoy doing it?
Rap/Hip Hop kind of created a new meaning for the term "producer". Producer used to refer more to an engineer or even someone front funds to make a project possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer
- Sep 15, 2008 02:59pm by JKR70 - [img:66e766d8cb]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/JKR70/LVSIGNATUREBANNER.jpg[/img:66e766d8cb]
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A Beat maker makes beats, obviously, a Producer on the other hand, Well he oversees the entire process, makes beats, masters the album , track order etc..
I do the Latter.
- Sep 15, 2008 04:18pm by Reach. - Peace and oneness,
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Honestly I really don't think there is a difference.
Ultimately each person has their own process.
Some are more involved than others, but that's a matter of personal choice.
- Sep 16, 2008 03:25am by sikestyle - -Stuff and Things...Things and Stuff...
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i think there is a big difference..
i've heard lots of beats that weren't well produced.
I think the production aspect comes into play when you can properly master, track vocals and do all the fancy finishing touches that makes the beat the best it can be...not just something you throw on when you friends come over. Something that bumps in the car the club and in you headphones waiting on airport security checks.
- Sep 16, 2008 06:49am by unshined_hype
[quote:b8101c9dfa="sikestyle"]airport security checks.[/quote:b8101c9dfa]
yo kanye smashes cameras
- Sep 16, 2008 01:13pm by Lucidialect
When I think of "production quality", I think of levels and mixing, the overall sound. Making the beat is a part of that, but not the whole empanada.
Mmmm, empanadas....
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Im so hungry.
- Sep 16, 2008 09:49pm by sixer
Hiphop just got lazy when it came to terming people "producer".
- Sep 17, 2008 04:40am by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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old school terminology
Producer was a person who with the artist most time but sometimes without the artist conceptualized, the put together the abum dream team, then scheduled and arranged for the team to "get in the booth" with the right studio, and knock out the real deal. based on how much the artist and producer worked together, they would be the ones present for the mixing with the engineer and then decide whether to master with the same or bring in another more experienced engineer tot master the entire project once it was mixed.
having the "right" producer on your project could spell instant success similar to rhyming over a neptune beat or timberland beat.
new school
every body is a producer, artists, beatmaker/breaker/videographer/emcee these day and here is why
the good news anyone can conceive of, record mix master, and distribute a project today because of home studios/computers/video cams, myspace/u name it social site, and hungry sometimes not as discerning ears/eyes/nose/mouths+ no clue
and. . . . . .
the bad news : anyone can conceive of, record mix master and distribute
a project today because of home studios/computers/video cams, myspace/u name it social site, and hungry sometimes not as discerning ears/eyes/nose/mouths+ no clue
go figure by the above standards the difference is INTENT,APPLIED EFFORT AND KNOWLEDGE,TALENT, AUTHENTICITY.
other than that, no difference
FOCUS ON THE ART YALL NOT THE PROPS
peace
nrg
- Sep 19, 2008 08:06pm by trystyl - www.myspace.com/trystyl Location: KCMO
[quote:ff64cc79a2="NRG"]old school terminology
Producer was a person who with the artist most time but sometimes without the artist conceptualized, the put together the abum dream team, then scheduled and arranged for the team to "get in the booth" with the right studio, and knock out the real deal. based on how much the artist and producer worked together, they would be the ones present for the mixing with the engineer and then decide whether to master with the same or bring in another more experienced engineer tot master the entire project once it was mixed.
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could not be said any better.
this is exactly correct,
when i think producer.. i think Rick Rubin, check his body of work and the vast generes he has worked with and the product is always perfect.
- Sep 27, 2008 11:34pm by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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[quote:66cac444ed="trystyl"]
could not be said any better.
this is exactly correct,
when i think producer.. i think Rick Rubin, check his body of work and the vast generes he has worked with and the product is always perfect.[/quote:66cac444ed]
recent article from Bob Lefstz on Yeah
RICK RUBIN
How come your favorite artist can't make another album like the one you lost your virginity to, that saved your soul after the breakup, after your mom died?
When you start off, your goal is to open the door. You knock so hard. At first no one is paying attention. If you persevere, and have talent, eventually people notice and the door opens. You pass through, THEN WHAT?
You've got so much to say, so much to prove. If you can just plead your case in front of the masses, if you can just get acclaim, your life will work. But it doesn't. You may make some dough. If you're smart, you may still have some of it. But, you've got relationship problems. Your kids are no better behaved than those of your high school classmates. And, when you release new material, no one cares. If you play live, people only want to hear the hits. You can't get on Top Forty radio, classic rock plays your past hits, but wants nothing to do with you now. If not exactly depressed, you're defeated. And you've earned the right to take no shit, no direction from anyone.
That's where Rick Rubin comes in. He tries to get you back to the garden. Back to the space you were in when you cut those great hits of yore. He's not a sycophant, he's a trusted ear, telling you to keep writing because what you've come up with so far...just isn't good enough.
You'll listen to Rick because of his rep. Because of your raw desire to have an impact again. You've lost your way, and you want to get back on track.
There was context in the old days. A game that you understood how to play. Now, you might have a board, but the rules have evaporated and even though you've still got a few game pieces, you don't know what to do with them. Rick gives you context.
Rick reminded Metallica how great those pre Black Album records were. Told them to forget about the casual fan, to make a record for the hard core. The results have been universally accepted, even revered, as a return to form. But the process was hell on the musicians. Sometimes torture. But they did it, because they wanted to feel they still had something to say, were vital, they wanted to be back on top.
Your favorites are lost. They know how to do it. Round up all their buddies and turn on the computer and lay something down. But, since they're not living four to a room on ramen, there's no urgency. They believe good is good enough. And good enough was NEVER good enough.
I'm not talking about Clive Davis programming. Telling you you suck and that you need to work with the usual suspects and record the music of hack songwriters. I'm talking about a coach. A manager, who tears you down and then inspires you.
Every great athlete has a coach. Some of the best football coaches are hated. They play mind games. In order to get their charges to deliver their best work. This is what we need in the music business.
Rick did it with Johnny Cash, Neil Diamond and now Metallica. He brings them back to the garden. He talks music, tells them how much he loves their classic work. And then implores them to make more.
It's not repeating yourself. It's being INSPIRED in the same way. So you can recapture the essence.
It's true. Most people are not waiting for the albums of aged acts. So, it's hard to get psyched up. But first and foremost you're a musician, not a star. Deep down inside you want to do your best work. Not crap like Rod Stewart, doing it solely for the money and fame, but something that truly resonates with your audience, that you're proud of.
Rick Rubin has been able to put a spell on old artists, do such a mindfuck on them that they dig down deep and prove how great they are to him. We need more Rick Rubins.
