Topic: 02.20.07 BEYOND BEATS AND RHYMES ON PBS 10PM
- Feb 20, 2007 06:53am by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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Go here for a Sundance perspective of the film:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=285650
and if you ain't had enuf yet blam
http://www.mediaed.org/videos/MediaGenderAndDiversity/HipHopBeyondBeatsAndRhymes
post your comments here after you watch
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- Feb 20, 2007 08:55pm by MILES - [url]http://www.MilesBonny.com/[/url] Location: KCK
so will this be on at 9pm since its 10pm EST?
- Feb 20, 2007 10:57pm by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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its on here at 10pm tonight the show is called Independent Lens channels 19 (11 cable)
- Feb 21, 2007 06:55am by AceFadal - [b:353f9d151d]k[/b:353f9d151d]inestheti[b:353f9d151d]C[/b:353f9d151d]~means To learn by doing
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[color=orange:10e98f2a07][i:10e98f2a07]Show was okay..
I was kind of expecting more from this. What i don't know. I wished it would have taken a little more time to express the fact that, that negativity only represents a portion of what Hip Hop is. and more on how alot Hip Hop artist remain positive. Just to let people know.
I know the show was focusing on a certain aspect and the mathematics on Hip Hops negative content. But maybe a little more mention on its Positivity. I understand why he felt the need to defend himself from the get go.
A couple of weeks ago, I was talking to a real "corporate" like type, Bill, we'll call him. I was telling him I make beats. He was like, "Do you make the loud, thumping sounds, and such?" I said "Yes." He started going on and eventually got to "Why do ya'll gotta talk so negatively about women, cars and money?" I was like, "Whoa, my music isn't like that." It really wasn't a conversation, it was more him telling me how bad Hip Hop was for the community, and especially for his 16 year old daughter. (Whom he let me know was diggin 50cent.) I was trying to tell him that all Hip Hop wasn't like that.(and that I hate 50c). He didn't seem to wanna hear it, let alone care. I got the impression that he never had an outlet to vent his "suburban-anger" about "Rap Crap" to a "brother", or never been around someone comfortable enough to answer his stereotypical questions. So he took advantage of me being a bartender that day to be chatty. 🙁 Point? I feel like this show would have almost for sure re-enforced his false-media made perception of Hip Hop and caused him never change his views.
Byron Hurt did not use this outlet to promote or start any sort of movement towards progession or change. But rather to show how bad Hip hop really has gotten, and that there seems to be no foward movement. Stuck. It was almost like watching the news. Russel Simmons, in my opinion, was mad to look "chumpish", and I could'nt tell who side busta was even on. He ain't on the level of Talib, Mos Def, and De La. wtf?
Luckily Hip Hop in KC, is close and tight, like Fam almost. Its hard to hate. Especially when everywhere Hip Hop is in KC, there is love and respect shown. I seen girls start to walk off the stage at Ghostface, wasn't having the disrespect, didn't give a what! We don't share the same views as what is hot and what is not as far as Hip Hop goes. People really don't understand how different Kansas City Hip Hop is from the rest. It can be negative, I've seen shows get ugly, but I've been to more positive shows, than negative. I've seen People stick up for little people, and frown upon the disrespect ladies too. did not matter what they were wearing. And I've seen other women check other women for direspecting themselves. I've seen the same people promoting shows, at the same time keeping the vibe safe and up!
We all know that Pop Hop is what the radio plays. Its what the people wanna hear. So it effects our life. It was really sad to see so many young people getting swept up with this commercialization of a slave mentality and caught up on being so thug. wtf?
If I watched this and I had never listened to Hip Hop, and I had negative views, I don't think that anything would have changed for me.
that girl said she listens to hip hop to get a glimpse of hood life....wtf is wrong with these people?
I dont even own bling or a grill......Bill!
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- Feb 21, 2007 08:57am by NRG - livin the art that is life !
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Ace Fadal [quote:ceec3a12de]Byron Hurt did not use this outlet to promote or start any sort of movement towards progession or change. But rather to show how bad Hip hop really has gotten, and that there seems to be no foward movement. Stuck. It was almost like watching the news.[/quote:ceec3a12de]
Ace follow the links and you will see that there is quite a bit developed as support information to accompany this documentary. Also, Mr. Hurt's goal was stated at the beginning of the film and like Reach pointed out to me sometimes its baby steps. this baby step was created by someone who loves hiphop culture and noticed things had changed. he decided to get to the root of some of the things the media just glosses over and he did that by taking it to the people living the culture.
I especially would praise the segments on the persona of masculinity, where "being hard" and "gun play" really are coming from. the media at large would have everyone believe that Blacks and Latinos are just violent like we invented this image and actions of masculinity. he did well showing the icon images of the larger cultures notions.
Second, I think the segment on women and hiphop was a good opening of that subject in that it place the attention on both men and women and it made an interesting point in that when men talk about hittin that or what ever it is happening in the company of men infact it is a part of the brotherhood of men that they share on this level with each other their exploits and objectification of woman. ie part of the rites of passage into manhood.
[quote:ceec3a12de]Russel Simmons, in my opinion, was mad to look "chumpish", and I could'nt tell who side busta was even on. He ain't on the level of Talib, Mos Def, and De La. wtf? [/quote:ceec3a12de]
it is no secret that every public person has to be selective about what they say and how they appear when they say things because, it is with the director and editor of this film's creative license that what they say can be viewed out of context. misconstrude by those who view the editors cut of what could have been a fifteen minute discussion now a 5 second soundbite edited from the perspective of the filmaker.
no body wanted to touch on the issue of hiphop and homophobia or homo eroticism. WE black people, america, erbody is afraid of these deeper questions lurking in the shadow site of our minds and heart.
I believe we want to belong bad enuf to self censor ourselves so that we wont' be the only one
as for your comments about hiphopkc, as shown by our recent discussion, this site IS NOT reppin ALL of the KC HIPHOP COMMUNITY. sad but this is a fact. Each of us that knows this, wonders how or if it could be different, has to find for themselves what if anything they feel called to do about the absence of half of the community on here. so you see even here we don't get the whole story.
I am pondering for myself if and how I might work to welcome all of hiphop here? its a question so far
peace
nrg
